OnTheWayOut

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  Dead Wrong (A Tolerance for Ambiguity)

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  what is your level of tolerance for ambiguity?.

  ambiguity is a clunky, uncomfortable word, imho.. .

  ambiguity means "open to more than one interpretation".

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  OnTheWayOut

  Your view is not the only one.
  The glass is always full. Even when it is half water and half air.

  I still tire of you insisting that it's EASY PEASY as long as we see it the way YOU DO!!!
  
  You ask "DO YOU INSIST ON ONLY ONE interpretation?" right after you insist on your one interpretation.
  
  Terry, you do that most of the time, so I don't get how you are lecturing us on it.
  
  

  In a Court of Law, you might swear to tell the Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing but the Truth, but then in reality, you are asked to limit your answers to YES or NO sometimes and are cut off on trying to tell "the whole truth" part.
  
  The Jury verdict in the O.J. Trial was not WRONG. O.J. was guilty of murder, but it was not proven sufficiently to the jury due to sloppy police work and other stuff.
  
  I agree with you about Jehovah's Witnesses, but you may need to continue your self examination a while longer.
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  $5.5 Million to be transferred to World Wide Work from Assembly Hall fund

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a letter was read tonight in our kingdom hall that the money that the circuits in the indianapolis area had in savings to build a new assembly hall will now be transferred to the www to build kingdom halls in lands where they are needed and a new assembly hall for us will not be built.. we had a beautiful assembly hall near downtown indy that was paid for.

  it was sold a couple of years ago.

  we were promised a new assembly hall to be built in southern ohio near the indiana border but they can kiss that goodbye now.

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  Could they have strongly suggested that the money would be used for new buildings "somewhere" but really never said that exactly? I mean, is it likely that they really only promised it would be transferred to the worldwide work and that money was needed for building projects?
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  Is Trump Doing Better Than You Thought As President!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know that some here detested him while others may have simply accepted the reality of who is president.. do you think he is better than you might have thought as a president?.

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  The bar for my expectations was set so low that, YES, Trump is exceeding my expectations.
  
  Plus, I don't want to see a President Pence ever.
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  Immigration is not what you think it is...for a reason

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if somebody knocks on your door and wants to enter your home (for whatever reason) you are faced with a decision process based, in part, on your ability to suss out why you do or do not allow entrance.. agreed?example:.

  "i'm being stalked by a madman--please let me hide inside" would be a strong emotional reason.

  ""i'm with a group of jehovah's witnesses, we want to brainwash you.

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  OnTheWayOut

  First of all, saying that immigration is not what I think it is, then telling me what YOU think it is.
  I find that totally arrogant.

  Second of all, your over-simplification of the whole matter is way off the mark of what "immigration" is.
  I would be better off with a dictionary definition.
  
  Even understanding that you are trying to condemn "illegal" immigration with your sorry example, you remove the sympathetic human factor and act like the person sneaking in is trying to get into "YOUR" bedroom instead of recognizing that we know most are escaping a bad way of life to find a better one.

  I don't disagree with tough restrictions on immigration, but telling me I don't know what it is- sorry pal. If you invalidate my thoughts, then I am free to invalidate yours.
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  Is our universe just a hologram?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was doing a shearch on physicist alain aspect, and came across this :.

  http://home.elp.rr.com/osiris/newpage1.htm.

  the universe as a hologramdoes objective reality exist, or is the universe a phantasm?.

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  OnTheWayOut

  If the universe is a hologram or if you are just a brain in a pool of chemicals being stimulated to feel and think and see and it's all not real, you still must live in the world you know according to the things you see and feel.

  So don't worry about it.
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  Have you ever gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just wondering if anyone has gone back to a meeting out of curiosity?

  (perhaps to an area far from your old khall where you know no one).

  with all the changes from 2012 onwards (videos, tv screens, new meeting format, new songs etc) it would be an odd experience to be in attendance!.

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  I have had to go to a couple of funerals, so they were not regular meetings. But it was reminder enough.
  No thanks for going out of curiosity.
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  a question after my first JW meeting

  by bleak in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i attended my first jw meeting recently.

  first, i would like to say what i agree with about the jehovah's witnesses beliefs and practices.. 1. they don't consider israeli's as "god's chosen people" and they don't worship israel as some holy land filled with righteous jews (although there are some there) as most so-called "christians" (christian zionists) erroneously believe they are instead of the "hypocrites" and "vipers" that it is actually filled with.. 2. they don't celebrate "holidays" like easter and christmas which are, in fact, remnants of earlier pagan practices.. 3. they don't put nation before god and christ.

  they don't believe in war or going to war because of some crazy government/cia secret agenda.

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  Israel is not "God's chosen people." True enough.

  Holidays come from manmade religions, referred to as "pagan." All true.

  They don't believe in fighting wars for political agendas, at least not those of the nations. Yes.

  On those points, they do seem to heap praise on ancient Israel as God's chosen people. That way, they can claim they are modeled on God's people, and therefore are God's people. That is their self serving part- saying "No, WE are God's people."

  Avoiding holidays with pagan roots is more about isolating themselves from 'the world.' They put an unhealthy fear in children to avoid birthdays and any holiday stuff. If Christmas offends you, don't do Christmas. Same with the rest. But does a child have to fear that he let God down because he wanted a birthday cupcake from a worldly classmate?

  JW's are fighting a war against the world and are dying, letting their kids die, for the agenda of Watchtower with the silly blood doctrine, and keeping their flocks ignorant with their view of higher education.

  They do not know the Bible so great as others have mentioned. They know snippets that support Watchtower doctrine. I could go on, but you will know this when you pay attention, and read the good points made by others here.

  The sometimes-figurative, sometimes literal use of the Bible is all based on what the men running Watchtower want the people to think, do, believe. Whatever keeps them in line best.
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  Anyone watching Star Trek Discovery?

  by Coded Logic in

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  2. entertainment

  so i've been watching the show and really enjoying it.

  great to see a trek tv series finally get a reasonable budget.

  beautiful costumes, sets, cinematography, action pieces, etc.. really my only complaints are how cg all the ships look and there's a fair bit of stiff dialog from time to time.. what do you guys think of the show?.

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  I binged it because I like Sci-fi. It doesn't fit into the Star Trek storyline at all with it's more advanced technology. "Enterprise" never really fit in well either.

  So if I watch it as a separate television adventure, it's okay. But even then, it seems that there is little planning in any schemes, but rather who gets the drop on the other. People escape capture easily and it has standard "bad guys are bad shots" rules. And these Klingons are constantly losing fights they should be winning.
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  Has Being a JW affected your SEX Life?

  by minimus in

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  not being a witness has been a plus for my sex life.

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  what about you!

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  I am going to say "Yes" and offer no further.
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  I gave up The 5th Dimension for Jehovah

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  greetings, old timers (in particular):.

  of course, we don't share all views in common.

  unless i'm mistaken, however, we older, former jws were decisive about what our "bible-trained consciences" would allow -- or not.

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  OnTheWayOut

  I gave up so much music, settled for soft rock for a long time.
  I loved getting back to what is today called classic rock.
  
  BACK IN BLACK by AC DC is my official return-from-the-cult theme song.

  Back in black
  I hit the sack
  I've been too long I'm glad to be back
  Yes, I'm let loose
  From the noose
  That's kept me hanging about