Life is chemical/electrical. Every last bit of our life is based on that. When you die, there is no crossing over to "something else." There is nothing that survives like a soul and passes into a spirit world or another body.
Live, love, enjoy.
OnTheWayOut
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Is this life all there is?
by Fisherman inwhat do you sincerely think?
do you nurture any hope?.
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
by Bangalore inhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.
for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.
the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.
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OnTheWayOut
This guy guy has become the modern day Charles Taze Russell snake oil salesman.
Barbara Anderson will post your story for free on Watchtowerdocuments . org. Reading is free.
Information from JWFacts is free. So many people have helped others for free. Some make a modest amount of money from their efforts, but what i see is people from Ray Franz on down to Kyria Abrahams who wrote their books and then hoped people will pay for it. I don't know of any of them that got rich, but even if they did somehow, they didn't put the P.T. Barnum act out there.
Lloyd, nobody has a big problem with you writing a book and selling it. Those of us that remember the debacle you stirred up on FB with that group will simply avoid the book. Those that like your videos and don't know what a con you are will buy the book. But I think it has crossed a line to get funded for such a book.
If anyone needs genuine emotional and psychological help getting out, EXITING THE JW CULT by Bonnie Zieman is a great book. Books by Steven Hassan on cults are excellent. They are priced reasonable. You can tell your story here on this forum or at Barbara Anderson's site or on FB without paying a slimy snake oil salesman to do it. If you tell it here, we are kind and don't need to edit it and change it and you can post all the pics you want with it. -
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The speed with which I exited!!
by joe134cd ini was just thinking at how quickly the process was from pimi - pimo - pomo.
i must of spent about 10 years trudging along in the organization very unhappily.
but from the initial stages of learning ttatt to physically walking out the door the process took about 18 months.
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OnTheWayOut
Yours is a rather quick exit. "Faders" are what we are typically called if we went through those stages- PIMI - PIMO - POMO. Many many faders are still quite regular in meetings for years. I get it for those wanting to see family members get out, but only if those family members are actually progressing.
For me, personal sanity/happiness and a need to face my demons caused me to make one attempt with my JW wife, then when I saw her not even willing to consider that it wasn't the truth, I faded out really quick. I went from figuring out for sure that it was a dangerous cult in Spring and resigning as an elder in August and ceasing all the recruiting work that same month to actually being 100% gone by the time of the next Memorial. So it was a year total.
But to be fair, I lingered on for 10+ years from the 1995 change in what "generation" meant, which severely bothered me, before I was ready to investigate the religion. -
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I examined the Bible the same way I examined Watchtower. I thought that "Christendom" might be right. But the Bible was lacking- it was man-made.
A brief look at belief outside of Christianity showed me it was futile to actually look at each and every variance of rekigions- they are all man-made.
I found comfort in the way science seeks truth. It is if great comfort.
If you want absolute proof that something is the truth or that something does or does not exist, you are out of luck. But enjoy the journey of seeking.
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Millions Then Living Did Not Survive
by Fred Franztone init's almost 2018, almost 100 years since 'judge' rutherford confidently prophesied that 'millions now living will never die!'..
so how many of those millions are left?
well, since it was 100 years ago, all we need to do is find out how many people of age 100 and above are currently living.
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OnTheWayOut
Worldwide figures are scientific estimates, but the rosiest estimates still say about hslf-a-million or less of the world population is over 100 years old.
So the "millions" are gone. Soon, all those alive in 1914 will be gone.
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My Father passed away & i'm suicidal. I want to talk to somebody
by Qrystal inin summary, my dad passed away not to long ago, 8 months ago, on april while i was 12. i'm 13 and i've been grieving for 6 months now and im suicidal.
i'm not doing this to get attention, but to talk to someone.
my dad was a jehovah's witness and i want to talk to all of you.
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OnTheWayOut
The people here are mostly former Jehovahs Witnesses who figured out that the religion is not "the truth."
Other than that, we are sure to want to listen to/read what you want to say.
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Wife came home upset ...
by The Fall Guy in... because she'd stepped into some newly laid concrete.. i said to her, "don't be too hard on yourself.
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OnTheWayOut
This farmer was outstanding in his field. So the other farmers gave him an award.
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Higher Education
by Brian J injust spent 8 hours in a 1 day elders school last weekend.
clarification given: "moving forward any elder, ms, or pioneer who themselves or someone under their roof enrolls in higher education, may no longer qualify for privileges in the congregation.
their qualifications will have to be reviewed by their boe.".
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OnTheWayOut
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Simple solution....
Leave the cult and let your kids go to school.
An Organisation that punishes people for getting an education?! enough said! That’s a crazy cult, there is no excuse to stay a day longer! Get out, get your kids out.
Left 12 yrs ago, went to university, best thing I ever did.Half the time, I post a quote and the stuff I type below it disappears. So let me try again.
Even if they don't leave the religion, I bet more and more elders/MS/pioneers send their kids to college and let the congregation remove them if they want to. IT's THEIR KIDS, and they want more for them.
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What is you 'red line'?
by no-zombie intoday we hear a lot about red lines in political commentaries these days.
but for those of us who are pimos, what be your red line?
what would be the doctrinal change or event that would tip you over the edge into leaving for good, regardless of the repercussions?
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no-zombie
1. Changing the blood position into a conscience matter
2. Introducing personal Tithing
3. A Nuclear WarI like number one and number two. I hope it doesn't ever come down to number 3 for anyone.
While I am already out, I can tell you that there never was a red-line even though there should have been. Instead, time kept adding more straws to my back and no single straw was my reason, but carrying them all for a while, I finally said "What is wrong here."
I primarily left over doctrine- the changing of "generation" being the main one.
Here's my thoughts on if I had stayed- When they changed to the "overlapping generation," I would have been there at that Watchtower lesson, I would have laughed loudly at the paragraph that introduced it, and I would have stood up and said "They went too far, I am outta here." -
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Have you ever thought what the primary teaching of Jehovah’s Witnesses is?
by Half banana init is not “preach the good news” nor is it “believe in jesus and get saved” neither is it “believe in the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses and get saved” although in practice they do teach this.
no, everything they claim depends on a belief in another doctrine which logic decrees cannot be found in the bible.
the leadership of jehovah’s witnesses put absolute faith in a protestant doctrine which is given a latin name, sola scriptura, meaning “by scripture alone”.. good evidence of the governing body believing in the primacy of this doctrine was when being questioned by the australian royal commission, they resorted to the ‘authority’ of scripture to defend their stance on having “two witnesses” when they are investigating child abuse cases.throughout the hearing they paraded their naive trust in the bible as the highest possible authority proudly ignoring the fact that most people regard it as having been superseded by modern scientific evaluations of what is true.. .
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OnTheWayOut
Have you ever thought what the primary teaching of Jehovah’s Witnesses is?
Their primary teaching is that First Century Christianity was "the truth" and it has been corrupted, but just as Jesus came to cause people to abandon Judaism and convert people to "the way," Watchtower was created to help people abandon Christendom and convert to Witnesses.
They claim the Bible is inspired and all we need, but then only "THEY" can understand the Bible so all that other literature was created. Even when they changed the Bible, it was right before the change, but now it's more right.
The short version of that is "We are always right. If we were ever mistaken, once we change something, it is now never wrong."