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  Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body Member Stephen Lett explains "Doing it"

  by Not_Culty in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7yrcya_ym8.

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  When I click on the video, and any of John Cedars' videos, it says "This video requires payment to watch."
  
  So forget about it.
  
  Editing to add:
  
  Oh, now it's working. Not a Cedars video. Well, okay.
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  Bible's flaws

  by LostAdam in

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  2. bible

  what are some flaws of the bible that convince you that its not god's word.

  for example what about prophecies like babylon or prophecies about jesus birth and life that jw use to make you believe bible is god originated?

  i'd appreciate your comments.

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  The impossible FLOOD
  Chronology vs. archaeology
  The whole idea of live sacrifice
  Silly rules about food and land and boiling baby goats

  But mostly, God choosing a certain group of people to have insider information, deciding not to interfere with people figuring out they need to choose proper worship, but interfering all the time like at Babel, the flood, various battles.
  
  
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  What will JJ Abrams and Disney do for Star Wars episode IX?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  2. entertainment

  i heard that jj abrams has finished the screenplay and they'll be starting to shoot the final episode soon.. so where will the story go?.

  han solo is dead, snoke is dead, leia can only have a very limited role at best because carrie fisher unfortunately died .... plus, rey has already defeated the main villain once before, in her first lightsaber fight (in the force awakens, because 'ovaries!

  ', i guess xd).. and she saved his ass against snoke's elite guards (in the last jedi) - so it will be difficult to film any kind of dramatic tension between rey and kylo ren.. i won't be seeing this film in the cinema or buying it on dvd but i am kinda curious how things will pan out .... what do you think?.

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  Before most of you-all's time, but when an entire season of the television show DALLAS was made into a dream so that a dead character could be brought back on, I cease to wonder where continual series scripts can take you.
  
  In Star Wars movies, a character is not gone just because he is dead.
  In Star Wars movies, a previously cut scene can be put back in and a live actor can be covered over with Jabba the Hut, so the point is that much footage exists, much technology exists to change it or make it different.
  
  I suspect it will be similar to scripts of the past where there is a new super weapon that all good guys must overcome. Maybe Kylo Ren will die but turn away from the dark side.
  Chewbacca is very much alive, so maybe Lando and Chewbacca will save the day....or maybe the droids will have a bigger role in it all. R2D2 will turn out to the new leader of freedom.
  
  Who cares? It is fun to speculate, but in the end, it's a movie that many over-involved fans will get upset about.
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  Great tribulation

  by dothemath in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you've likely heard all this before, but i had to laugh (silently) at the public talk today.. he focused on how close we are to the end.

  we're not only in the last days, but we're in "the final part" of the last days.. also, we are nearing "the end of the final part of the last days".

  he didn't read any scriptures backing up how the last days are broken up like this.. i went today since relatives es were visiting, but it was more entertaining than usual.. as well, the gb isn't warning us about armageddon, rather they're mainly warning about the great tribulation, which is "very, very, close!

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  Ha, Blondie. I used to give the public talk about the image in the book of Daniel and I said we were in the time of the toes. But that was more than 20 years ago, so we would be on the toenails now.

  We are a cat's whisker away from the end as we find ourselves at the very end of the short period known as the final days of the end of the very last part of the dwindling last days which will imminently bring a start to the Millennium.
  
  Hey, I heard that some are saying that Jehovah's Witnesses teach that we are already in the Millennium, and that it started in October, 1914.
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  1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  for years , we were told to wait until 1975!.

  the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.

  were you around during this “momentous “ time??

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  I was a kid. My aunt joined the JW's because the end of the world was coming in 1975, and she eventually got my mother into it. My mother studied with me and my siblings and my father hated it. My parents divorced, some of it because of the JW's. They almost got back together, but in a drunken state, my father called my mother after midnight when January 1st, 1976 arrived and said "I am still here!" That was all she could take of that.
  
  YADDA YADDA YADDA, I was a kid but became a JW later because of 1975.
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  Can someone help me figure out something, dealing with paganism?

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and quite a few other religious groups don't do certain things because of pagan origins.

  they go on about the different holidays, certain traditions, and say they don't do those things because of pagan origins.

  yet they turn right around and do other stuff, which does have pagan origins.

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  As Sir82 says, "Clearly, breathing is of pagan origin." It would seem that most everything is of pagan origin.

  Watchtower picks things to be against, mostly based on how it will make members uncomfortable around worldly people, particularly family, coworkers, and schoolmates.

  Weddings bring JW's together and offer opportunities to show worldly family that they are almost normal, but birthday cakes cause coworkers, schoolmates, and worldly family to show their friendly good side, so Watchtower poisons it. Similar with holiday celebrations. But wedding rings are a protection (or at least used to be) from outsider advances.
  
  
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  Is the Sell-off of Kingdom Halls Just a Cyclical Process

  by RubaDub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with more and more kh's being sold off, will it only be a matter of time that there will be a push to build new ones?

  greater emphasis on donating to build new kh's since some brothers have to drive long distances to attend meetings?

  and that smaller communities should have a local kh that is visible to all in the area?.

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  OTWO - I think you're right on the money but I think they've skimmed money for so long they can keep the game going - I hope not.

  
  I believe that they are planning on making it last a long time, but it still will continue to shrink. I imagine it will last our lifetime, but will get less and less significant. And there's always the possibility that between lawsuits and various other problems, they could be gone faster.
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  Is the Sell-off of Kingdom Halls Just a Cyclical Process

  by RubaDub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with more and more kh's being sold off, will it only be a matter of time that there will be a push to build new ones?

  greater emphasis on donating to build new kh's since some brothers have to drive long distances to attend meetings?

  and that smaller communities should have a local kh that is visible to all in the area?.

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  I am sure THEY hope it's cyclical.
  
  But I think Watchtower's trying to reinvent itself will not work and they will slowly die off.
  
  Even if they don't slowly die off with no need for new Kingdom Halls, they are switching to less and less literature.
  They are going to have to find new revenue sources before they ever seriously start rebuilding.
  
  I imagine they won't. They will need less and less Kingdom Halls for less and less members.
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  Today is a BIG anniversary for me...but--of what?

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today is a big anniversary day for me!.

  october 23, 1967, was a monday.

  i stood in front of district judge leo brewster as he sentenced me to six years in federal prison.. .

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  Happy (or at least "Indifferent" ) anniversary.
  
  I guess for similar reasons of remorse over poor directions in my life, I don't really have good retention of anniversary dates related to coming into or getting out of the JW cult. I do remember my baptism date, but that's about it. But that one is rather tied in with so many other things.
  
  
  
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  Do You Know Of Anyone Who Left JWs And Then Decided To Return?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  quite a few years ago there was a poster here that left the religion because he knew it was simply not true.

  however, he returned to jws because he wanted to be with his family.

  i don’t know how he is doing but gumby was his name.

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  My sister-in-law got pregnant and disfellowshipped. In the time she was "out," she didn't do any research on JW's. Eventually, her parents got divorced and each separately became baptized JW's. Both had only been lifelong meeting attenders prior to that and got 2 of the 3 kids (including my wife) baptized.
  
  My SIL had made one early attempt to go back, but didn't want to go through the shunning and answering questions from elders, so she was there and gone again.
  
  When her reason for being disfellowshipped was more than halfway through high school, my SIL decided that her son needed "the truth" and that she needed to go back. She went through all that stuff.
  
  This is a pretty common story- people go back because they did not actually make "the truth" their own. They did no research and many assumed the fault was theirs and they felt guilty about leaving Watchtower (or Jehovah).