Posts by SickofLies

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ABC Interview with RON PAUL will NOT BE AIRED. Check ABC link...

by What-A-Coincidence in

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http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/stossel/story?id=3970423&page=1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpgwaamvwdm.

rpaul supporter site: http://dailypaul.com/node/12078#comments.

SickofLies

Ron Paul would quickly be assassinated if he won. The banking interests that really control the country would make sure of that.

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Lies on Line...I always thought JWD was a forum for Honesty

by restrangled in

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after finding this forum and being raised in the jw religion, i found jwd a refreshing place for honest feelings, fears, life experiences etc.. the history of the jw's was exposed, and those who lived any experience under this regime has been told by many members.. to be lied to by any forum member is insulting.

i have over my past year and 1/2 come to love many posters.

i realize many more have much longer time put in here.. i have been honest and exposed more of my self than i care to think about, but always kept in mind that others were doing the same and it was best for anyone new.. to lie on this forum to all of these members is horrible and i am questioning why i am so honest here.

SickofLies

My opinion on the matter is that lying is genetic to a large degree. Everyone is capable of lying, of that there is no doubt. However, some people virtually never tell a lie, while others lie constantly, not always about big things, but even about little unimportant things. I believe this has an evolutionary explanation. For example, in nature there are many examples of species that use deception when trying to acquire a resource or a mate for themselves. There are many great examples of how this works in nature I would recommend reading 'The Selfish Gene' for some very details cases of how this exact kind of survival mechanism is used in nature. Often times species will have some members that are honest in the fact that if they challenge another member to a fight they will go through with it, while others only bluff and never fight. If every member of the species always fought then one member if not both would be seriously hurt or killed limiting the growth of the species. If everyone bluffed then all it would take is for a mutant to arise that will always fight to win every battle and always get the best resources and mates, thus passing the lying gene. Therefore these genes tend to work out in mathematic relationships which allow for maximum growth of the species.

Think of it this way, if all humans were honest and no one ever lied all it would take would be for one mutant to arise who had the ability to deceive people and he could take advantage of anyone because no one would have any defences against this sort of attack. If everyone was a liar then we would not be able to have a stable society, because we would not be able to pass on reliable information that could be used to benefit others.

It could very well be argued that such a gene is no longer required in humans and perhaps one day we will be able to get rid of it. However, in the mean time it is best to remember that while most people can be trusted most of the time, everyone has the ability to lie and it should never surprise us when they do.

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Is it possible be blind? while seeing? Bible thumper read if you dare

by skyking in

is it possible to have your eyes wide open and not be able to see?

when facts prove us wrong can we change?

when we can't it is call cognitive dissonance.. which came first the chicken or the egg?

SickofLies

Leolaia,

Most humans, I believe, try to assume the best of other people. I try to be as skeptical as possible but I cannot be an expert on every subject so I can only humbly accept when I am wrong as the evidence is presented to me.

I will not accept or deny the claims about Jesus similarity to other ancient gods until I do more research on the subject, for now I will remain agnostic towards the subject. However, I have seen some quotes by early Christians that seem to be directly trying to deal with the problem of other gods that have a very similar origin. In fact their was a show on the discovery channel about 'The Life of Brian' and it talked about how their were many other people around claiming to be the messiah and preaching to people just as the movie depicited (it was trying to showcase the irony of them being tried under British laws for blasphemy). Some of these people are even mentioned in the bible. I do remember it being mentioned on the show specifically how the Roman god Mithras was very similar to Jesus and I have heard this other places like on BBC for instance. So unless this is all a total fabrication it would seem to be supportive evidence that other similar stories were in circulation long before the Jesus legend ever came into existence.

Before I can totally dismiss everything I have heard from these sources I would need some strong corroborating evidence along the lines you seem to claim to be an expert on. If you could enlighten me so I can me more informed and not spead false information I would a ppreciate it.

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WOULD WOMEN MAKE GOOD ELDERS?

by Dansk in

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i've come to love and cherish much of the wisdom that emanates from the dear ladies of this forum and believe watchtower boobed in making all women subservient to the men.

so, do you think women would make good elders?.

ian.

SickofLies

Women would make terrible elders, they would never go along with the authoritian structure of the WTS and would not use their position of authority as a weapon to intimidate others. If you are a careful student of history you will notice that all major social change has been precipitated by women being given equal freedoms and rights as men.

If women became elders the JW's would cease to exist as we know them. In fact most religious object to women spiritual leaders for this reason.

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Is it possible be blind? while seeing? Bible thumper read if you dare

by skyking in

is it possible to have your eyes wide open and not be able to see?

when facts prove us wrong can we change?

when we can't it is call cognitive dissonance.. which came first the chicken or the egg?

SickofLies

I find the fact that you choose to ignore the considerable historical evidence that he did exist to be very enlightening. I find the delight you seem to feel in crushing the comforts of faith in others who journey along side you to be distrubing as well.

Prove it. Site your sources.

I don't understand how people can live their whole live with meaningless self-satisfaction as being their sole purpose and nonexistence being all they look forward to.

What you don't understand is that all the non-believers I know don't worry about death like religious people do, but they concentrate on living instead.

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Is it possible be blind? while seeing? Bible thumper read if you dare

by skyking in

is it possible to have your eyes wide open and not be able to see?

when facts prove us wrong can we change?

when we can't it is call cognitive dissonance.. which came first the chicken or the egg?

SickofLies

I cannot prove that someone did not exist that is just silly. However, I find the fact that what should be one of the most important people who ever lived has left no historical evidence of their existance to be very enlighting.

Faith, believing without evidence.

Faith, what allows people to fly planes into buildings.

Faith, what allows people to let their children die instead of giving them life saving blood.

It is better to be skeptical that to blindly believe something just because it could be true. If there was a god, who's to say that this is what he would value most of all?

Honestly I would not want to live under a god who's sole purpose for creating people was to have them spend their entire life in devotion to him until they die, and if they did a good enough job then maybe let them come live with you forever where all they will do is prase your name. I don't understand how people can live their whole lives with this as being their sole purpose and only thing they have to look forward to.

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I'm converting again.

by reneeisorym in

2 years ago i left jws.

i went to a baptist church because it was what my husband was.

i knew i wanted to go to church but which one i really didn't know yet.. two years later, i think i have made up my mind: presbyterian.. anyone have anything they want to share?

SickofLies

Religious

expression

protest

illusory

demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.

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Is it possible be blind? while seeing? Bible thumper read if you dare

by skyking in

is it possible to have your eyes wide open and not be able to see?

when facts prove us wrong can we change?

when we can't it is call cognitive dissonance.. which came first the chicken or the egg?

SickofLies

LOL

Yes, if you want impartial information on the bible you should talk to a Christian minister, that is truly a impartial source of information. I love the fact that the sources posted to debunk the article are clearly posted by Christian apologetic websites that are about as accurate and reliable as the history taught by the WTS.

If all you bible humpers and Jesus lovers out there are so convinced that he really existed then why not produce some proof of your own, or site academic sources that can refute the claims instead of religious sources. The fact is not respectable historian or archaeologist would claim that their is irrefutable or even strong evidence for Jesus existence.

Explain to me this idea being promoted that not believing in Jesus or the bible is somehow JW thinking in disguise? It seems to me that accusing people of still being like a JW is a favourite tactic of religious people here, which is ironic, since it is those who defend religion and the bible that allow groups like the JW's to exist without being challenged.

If you are still religious and believe in the bible how can you prove that you are right and the JW's are wrong? Is it not all a matter of interpretation? If it is than the JW's have a completely valid point of view that is no better or worse than any other Christian religion. Other than the blood doctrine there is nothing that the JW's teach or believe that isn't shared by some other Christian religion out there.

So go ahead and give me a list of academic books that you have read that support the idea that Jesus was a real historical person so I may be enlightened.

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Did You Stay In Because of the Fear?

by serotonin_wraith in

growing up amongst jws, i saw the core beliefs as a threat.

be a jw, or die horribly.

but no one i knew ever admitted this, it was all about 'loving jehovah'.

SickofLies

I stayed in because I thought it was the truth, I had no information to prove otherwise and shuned any sources that would. However, I am very skeptical by nature and eventually that led me look else where for information on subject other than what the WTS was providing, the 'truth' quickly fell apart like a house of cards.

If you want more details read my very first post to this fourm.

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Opinion peice on Athiests

by SickofLies in

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there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.

well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.

to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.

SickofLies

Just you don't have to make any accusations (and if my spelling is poor blame it on the Scotch). I am not making any impartial claims about an unknowable being. My claims are very partial! I am speaking about a very specific God! As for the testability of claims, what testability do you seek? Science only concerns itslef--only can concern--itself with the natural realm. But God is not of this realm, he is of the supernatural realm. Science and reason can point us in his direction, but they cannot furnish proof. Therefore the knowledge accessible by science can not prove he exists. The proof I have presented on this thread (the Cosmological Argument) is philosphical, not scientific. To test the existence of God is to try to use a sledgehammer as a screwdriver, wrong tool for the job. As for calling me a coward, that is easy to do on an internet forum. This is what I believe (OMG you have really called me out!!), and it is not idiotic:

I find it interesting that you feel my remarks were directed to you when I was clearly addressing someone else at the beginning of the post, but then again, maybe it's the Scotch.

But since you seem to be craving a reaction form me I'll give you one this once. What you said about the cosmological argument earlier in the thread does not do anything to prove the specific type of god you believe in. You are simply reaffirming what I've said earlier, that people do not try and justify what they really believe, they try and argue for the possible existence of some kind of intelligent force that could have created the universe. The part I don't understand is, if I were to agree with you that the universe had a creator for the sake of argument, what evidence do you have that what you are believing is anything more than a Scotch derived fantasy?

Religious Argument in a Nutshell:

1. There very well could be a god that created the universe

2. I believe that the fact it could have been means it is so.

3. ?????

4. Jesus died for your sins so believe or go to hell.

Yes, that was meant as a humorous abstraction so don't start going on a rant about how I am misrepresenting your carefully thought out beliefs.