Posts by SickofLies

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JW's Changing Tune

by SickofLies in

i left the religion back in the early 2000's, tell you the truth it's been so long now i've been out i don't remember exactly when i left.

i definitely used this site a lot when i first left and it was a great asset.

when i left i somehow managed to get my parents to come with me.

Londo - I completely agree, it's not an easy problem to overcome for older adults. I completely understand their decision to come back as it's hard being older and not having friends or any social support. I do not understand how they are able to sugar coat the reasons why I left and think that I would ever want to join again though.

I just don't want them preaching to my kids, I would never wish that experience on any child. If an adult chooses out of their own free will fine, but to put a child in that environment where if they leave they have to re-learn how the world actually works and how to make friends and have a normal life is just not fair.

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JW's Changing Tune

by SickofLies in

i left the religion back in the early 2000's, tell you the truth it's been so long now i've been out i don't remember exactly when i left.

i definitely used this site a lot when i first left and it was a great asset.

when i left i somehow managed to get my parents to come with me.

SickofLies

I left the religion back in the early 2000's, tell you the truth it's been so long now I've been out I don't remember exactly when I left. I definitely used this site a lot when I first left and it was a great asset. When I left I somehow managed to get my parents to come with me. In the last year because they were having a really hard time adjusting to life outside of being a JW (hard time making friends and fitting in with 'normal' society) they decided to go back.

Now they are coming around to my new family trying to convince myself, my wife and kids to join. They keep trying to sell me this story that everything is different now, that I wouldn't recognize the religion if I came back, I hear stories like all the old elders that were authoritarian and controlling were removed, DF'ing is rarely used anymore and it's so much easier to come back. They say many people don't take it seriously anymore (that part I believe). Is this just a local phonoma contained to my parents congregation (Florida area)? Has anyone heard of such things happening in the organization?

Since I left has there really been any major changes? I just want to get back up to speed. I used the 607 B.C.E thing which worked with my dad back in the day, but I guess they are publically admitting that historians don't support that date now and have some convoluted explanation that seem to work for him on this issue.

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Conspiricy Theory!!

by SickofLies in

jw
friends

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however, lately i've become concerned because he seems to have gotten into all these conspiracy theories such as 'chemtrails' 'illuminati' 'new world order', on top of the usual 9/11 theories and the like.

SickofLies

Thanks John, unfortunately I have to agree with your assesment of this situation. There is no point in having further conversations about these subjects with this person since it will only lead to arguments and frustration.

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Conspiricy Theory!!

by SickofLies in

jw
friends

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however, lately i've become concerned because he seems to have gotten into all these conspiracy theories such as 'chemtrails' 'illuminati' 'new world order', on top of the usual 9/11 theories and the like.

SickofLies

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4799447112501062338

Here's a link to the video I mentioned, although that's not the issue I'm mainly concerned about.

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Conspiricy Theory!!

by SickofLies in

jw
friends

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however, lately i've become concerned because he seems to have gotten into all these conspiracy theories such as 'chemtrails' 'illuminati' 'new world order', on top of the usual 9/11 theories and the like.

SickofLies

So I have a friend who has introduced me to a number of interesting documentaries, at first I found many of them quite interesting and I enjoyed hearing their points. However, lately I've become concerned because he seems to have gotten into all these conspiracy theories such as 'chemtrails' 'illuminati' 'New World Order', on top of the usual 9/11 theories and the like. Now this is a fairly intelligent person like myself and is also an ex-JW. However, I am concerned that this new obsession represents nothing but another form of religion since all these ideas to me seem like plain paranoid banter with no evidence. I have tried to reason with him on this matter and have even asked him to simply stop trying to show me these films and push these ideas on me and he can simply go on believing what he wishes. However, he is quite instant that I watch these retarded films like 'Big Brother the Big Picture' (try and Google it and you'll see what I'm talking about) and others like it.

Am I going to have to avoid this person or is there another line of reasoning I can try to make him see the fallacy of his beliefs or to at the very least make him keep them to himself???

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I hate being alone ...

by easyreader1970 in

jw
friends

many times i read the life stories of former jws.

some of these jws are or have been married.

sometimes their spouses share their doubt about the religion and at times they leave the "truth" together or months or years apart.

SickofLies

I felt the same way untill I click on the add for the single chinese ladies at the bottom of the screen and I should be recieving my new bride in the mail and day now.

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Arguing with a JW

by SickofLies in

jw
friends

hey guy's, i was wondering if you could help me out for a sec, i have a guy i work with who wants some material to use against one of his jw nabours, i meantioned a couple things to him like 607 b.c, but i want something that will not look like it obviously came from a former insider and scare his nabour off.

does anyone have any good info or links they could share?.

sol.

SickofLies

I'm afraid that VM44 speaks the truth, if this guy who is an ordanded minster in another chruch startes to make progress the JW will just stop talking to him. If there was an easy way to convince people that this was a cult everyone would be out already.

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Arguing with a JW

by SickofLies in

jw
friends

hey guy's, i was wondering if you could help me out for a sec, i have a guy i work with who wants some material to use against one of his jw nabours, i meantioned a couple things to him like 607 b.c, but i want something that will not look like it obviously came from a former insider and scare his nabour off.

does anyone have any good info or links they could share?.

sol.

SickofLies

Ya google's the best spot, but I'm afriad anything I give him the JW will reconize as being apostate and just reject it. What are you gonna do?

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Arguing with a JW

by SickofLies in

jw
friends

hey guy's, i was wondering if you could help me out for a sec, i have a guy i work with who wants some material to use against one of his jw nabours, i meantioned a couple things to him like 607 b.c, but i want something that will not look like it obviously came from a former insider and scare his nabour off.

does anyone have any good info or links they could share?.

sol.

SickofLies

Hey guy's, I was wondering if you could help me out for a sec, I have a guy I work with who wants some material to use against one of his JW nabours, I meantioned a couple things to him like 607 B.C, but I want something that will not look like it obviously came from a former insider and scare his nabour off. Does anyone have any good info or links they could share?

Thanks!

SoL

91

To all Bible believers... and non

by dawg in

jw
friends

my questions to you that believe the bible are this .

ok, so you come on this site and attack the jws, why cant you see that you are the same as the jws when you defend the bible?

after all, arent you defending the already dis proven faith that you believe?

SickofLies

Well I have to say that it's because of people like Real One that I'm not a believer, the only way to rationalize belief in the Bible is to constantly make claims that either a) Cannot be proven or b) I have no evidence for by I act as if I do. Honestly hearing an ardent believer speak gives me the creeps, there is little difference between the way Real One talks and the way a suicide bomber talks. They both know 100% that they are true, they've believed it since childhood and nothing can change their minds.

These people are mentally ill and need help, we as a society should be trying to find a way to treat these people but instead everyone says we should respect their so called 'faith'. I say bullshit, we need to stand up and call this lunacy for what it is. It's this kind of talk 'I know I'm right, because I know I'm right, I can't really explain it' that can make a person be able to justify anything. What a load of crap.