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AudeSapere
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The List, by "Prominent Bethelite"
by morloc ini occasionally pop through here to catch up on the latest, but this time i'm going to pop my own post on here.. some of you internet oldsters may even remember this.
my first experience on the internet regarding discussions about jehovah's witnesses and the watchtower took place on a now-obscure usenet group, before i eventually stumbled across hourglass2.. during those days, there was a poster who went by the name "prominent bethelite," an otherwise anonymous individual whom i remember most for an extensive, exhaustive compilation of date-oriented remarks, predictions, and expectations by the watchtower organization down through the decades of its history.. it became known as "the list" and it's definitely lengthy... but a fascination look at the abundance of errant statements made through the watchtower's history.. if you're curious, it's been available for a long time on hourglass2's site, and can be seen using the link provided below.. the list, compiled by prominent bethelite (1999).
that's about it for this stop through here.
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WTS changed name in Poland
by Haelcer inaccording yearbook - 1994 official name wts in poland was:.
*** yb94 p. 247 poland ***.
imagine their joy when, 40 years later, on may 12, 1989, the director of the office for religious affairs approved the charter of the straznicatowarzystwo biblijne i traktatowe, zarejestrowany zwiazek wyznania swiadkow jehowy w polsce (watchtower bible and tract society, registered religious association of jehovahs witnesses in poland)!
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Marking - This could be very important; precedent-setting.
So much for not having a clergy class. Unless it benefits the WTS, I guess...
-Aude.
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Elder lying in court!
by Batman89 inpart 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpp0zdmpc-w. part 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qobxt9czxzi.
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Here are links to the threads started by the JWN poster who was in that courtroom at that time. She provides a little commentary and background, too.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/108672/1/Elder-video-is-up#.U37xh873dCg
-Aude.
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When You Went Door to Door, Did You Ever Go to Any Famous Peoples Homes?
by LoisLane looking for Superman ini haven't really thought of this but maybe you have knocked on some "famous" door.. i think the only one i can come close?
to is one of "the irish rovers" singer - song groups, but after he moved.. what about you?.
just lois.
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watson wrote: Fang!
Yup.
Oubliette wrote: Steve Yeager, the former catcher for the LA Dodgers.
I had forgotten about him. One of his maids, 'Sol', was a JW. She attended my cong and I used to give her a ride home on Sunday's. Steve or his wife would drop her off before the Sunday meeting.
-Aude.
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When You Went Door to Door, Did You Ever Go to Any Famous Peoples Homes?
by LoisLane looking for Superman ini haven't really thought of this but maybe you have knocked on some "famous" door.. i think the only one i can come close?
to is one of "the irish rovers" singer - song groups, but after he moved.. what about you?.
just lois.
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Lois Lane wrote: "... remember when the rumor started that the Nelson Family (TV show family, son Ricky Nelson also singer , performer) were studying with JW's? ..."
I can answer this one.
I don't know if he actually 'studied' - in the formal sense - but I do know for a fact that Ricky Nelson had a family "friend" who was a JW and I know he was witnessed to. But don't know that it was necessarily a (serious) study. The JW friend was PH1L V0LK was part of Ricky Nelson's Stone Canyon Band and back in the 1960's, Phil had been of Paul Revere and the Raiders.
-Aude.
EDIT TO ADD: You can read Phil's own words about the RickyNelson connection/history here: http://www.philfangvolk.com/rickynelson.html
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Is JW.org overriding entry into JW.net?
by Hairtrigger intried to get into jw.net twice but a popup informed me that the official website of jw's is jw.org.
this was about 2 hours back.
anybody with a similar experience?.
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I did not know it was a real site. I thought people were just shortening the address for this site (JWN).
Who owns jw.net?
-Aude.
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Short Online Course (Free) on the Fall and Rise of Jerusalem in 587BCE by Tel Aviv University
by digderidoo infor those interested in the fall and rise of jerusalem in 587bce tel aviv university are offering a short 6 week online course through coursera in october 2014.. i have done a couple of coursera courses, they are always of the highest quality put together by scholars of whatever the subject matter is about.
universities tend to offer these as tasters and short introductions into their specialities.. you can get the information on the following link the fall and rise of jerusalem | coursera.
emory university are also offering a course through coursera on the bible's prehistory, purpose, and political future starting may 26th the bible's prehistory, purpose, and political future | coursera.
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Quick! Help Needed for TTATT!!!
by HeyThere inmy husband is actually asking me questions about the governing body saying they are the mouthpiece of jehovah and the whole jesus invisible rulership in 1914 etc.
i am looking up stuff now to show him but if you have any proof, qotes, etc.
to help me wake up my husband please send to me now asap!.
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After he clearly explains how and why 1914 is so important (remember, it might take him a few weeks to learn it himself), give yourself a couple of days to read thru these threads and other info on JW Facts:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/64436/1/Making-607-crumble
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/587-bc-total-dunderheads?page=1&size=20
If the link above does not work, try this one: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/74549/1.ashx
I hope this helps.
-Aude.
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Quick! Help Needed for TTATT!!!
by HeyThere inmy husband is actually asking me questions about the governing body saying they are the mouthpiece of jehovah and the whole jesus invisible rulership in 1914 etc.
i am looking up stuff now to show him but if you have any proof, qotes, etc.
to help me wake up my husband please send to me now asap!.
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Can he explain *WHY* he/they believe Jesus began ruling in 1914?
See if he can explain the chronology to get to that date. (Hint: In JW teachings, it starts with Jerusalem destruction which the JWs say happened in 607 BCE. Secular historians, however, say that occured in 587 BC.)
JWs place all GB sovreignty on the 1914 date. But if their jumbled math is wrong - starting with the wrong destruction date - then their supposed appointment is bunk, too.
There are some *great* threads about 587/607. I will look some up for you.
But *START* with having him explain how they came up with 1914 to be the critical date that they claim. Have him SWEAT it out and explain the whole damed thing. Even if it take WEEKs for him to learn it, make him learn it enough to explain it to you.
Only *AFTER* he explains the whole thing to you, then do a little research to see that their starting date is wrong and the whole jumbled mess crumbles.
-Aude.
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Contemplating a Major Life Change.
by Joe Grundy innever was a jw, but been here long enough to have made some friends and respect opinions.. retired in 2004, lived in cyprus 2005-2010. back here in wales since then.. just back from a holiday in france (most recent of many).
love the country, the lifestyle, can get by in the language.. just seen an advert for a country estate (british-owned) they want someone to live on site, do a bit of handyman stuff, etc., look after (mainly brit) holiday visitors in return for zero rent (only utitlties).
family would be abe to come and stay for free.
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What's the downside? Seriously.
-Aude.