3 of you? Are you all coequal? Sounds like an an Apostinity!
Crystal, I can't e-mail you about Portland, but my addy is open. Hope to hear from you!
(Getting out the Reasoning book, ready to answer your questions) LOL
Craig
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JW at my door
by Crystal injw is at my door ,,i gave her my piece of mind now by bf is doing his thing!
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How Many Here Have Been Shunned?
by Reborn2002 inas most of you already know, the jehovah's witnesses are covering an article in their august kingdom ministry to be discussed the weeks of 8/19 and 8/26 which details how they are to shun and avoid those who are no longer members of their organization, even immediate family members.. .
undoubtedly this article has been written to reinforce to the rank&file jehovah's witnesses the shunning policy, so as to tighten the ranks and prevent members from having the opportunity to learn the abundant contradictions and hypocrisies found within watchtower doctrine and practice from any who may have left.. this policy also serves to divide families and attempt to shame or abuse those whom have chosen to no longer be jehovah's witnesses, for whatever reason.. that much is obvious.
in recent days this topic has been discussed in detail in various threads.
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Jason, you can count me twice (df'd in '79, and again in '00). I was reinstated in 1981, just so I could again be with the family and friends I had lost. And, yes, I even thought that there was some way that WTS would get their heads out of their butts, admit their mistakes and reform their policies. (Not my fault for being so foolish, I had a prefrontal lobotomy years ago)
"It is funny that they claim to be the most loving people on earth, yet within one day they can write you off as if they never knew you, even if you were friends for many years."
So very d*mn true. I believe that every society of man has the right to exclude from membership those who blatantly refuse to conform to the accepted standards of that group. But that never gives them the right to treat people like dirt and violate the most fundamental principle of humanity, the unity, strength and inviolability of the family.
Craig (of the p'd-off class)
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WHY ARE YOU HERE?
by jst2laws injoy2bfree and i have so enjoyed meeting over 70 of the posters here on jwd in the last few months.
this has brought us even closer to many, yet the things i learned about each made me even more concerned about others here.
i hope each is getting what they need from this cyberpub we visit.
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I'm here because I'm not there. I just jeft there, and here is better. (yeah, yeah, I know, go take my meds)
You got it right on, Just2.
Craig
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The Shunning Paradox?
by blacksheep inas i am in the midst of continuing bizarre hot/cold treatment from the jw members of my family, a thought occurred to me.
if my jw family members don't like what i do, feel i've been led down the wrong path, and generally "disapprove" of me, why the heck not just avoid me altogether???
why come into and out of my life in whenever they deem it desireable?.
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Dakota, you sure we are not clones??
"I was shunned within my own house and expected to leave the room to make them feel comfortable."
Same here.
"Of course, none of them had a problem partaking of the material things I provided within the house or expecting me to repair their cars, if needed."
Same here.
"Most stopped dropping by and the wife and her kids took offense at me for it."
Same here.
Blacksheep: JWs are caught in a catch-22. They either totally go by the hardline, and act as if their df'd blood family no longer exists (which many, if not most, are unwilling to do), or they continue to associate with their df'd blood family and risk themselves being df'd (which many, if not most, are unwilling to do.)
There is no explaining their schizophrenic behavior.
Craig
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I just don't get it
by safe4kids in.
nope, i sure don't.
life, the universe, and everything.....
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Animal, don't you have a clutch to install, you grease-monkey? LOL
Craig (of the greater god than animal-self-god class)
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I just don't get it
by safe4kids in.
nope, i sure don't.
life, the universe, and everything.....
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onacruse
"It is quite true what Philosophy says: that Life must be understood backwards. But that makes one forget the other saying: that it must be lived-forwards. The more one ponders this, the more it comes to mean that life in the temporal existence never becomes quite intelligible, precisely because at no moment can I find complete quiet to take the backward-looking position."
Sren KierkegaardLife is simultaneously the frustration of not "getting it" and the drive to "get it." Life is an end in itself, and its own best justification and joy.
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Disfellowship article-Make them squirm
by good2bgone inthe august km disfellowshipping article will be discussed the weeks of aug 19 & 26. i'm thinking of explaining the shunning policy to a reporter or some friends.
they could go to the meeting that night and explain before the meeting that they are interested in listening and learning what jw's believe and see how they treat others.
would it make the elders squirm when the article is discussed?
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Interesting. I hadn't thought of this being a KM insert instead of a WT article as an attempt to keep the issue low profile. Since the insert basically just reiterates the 1981 WT, it's not really a new policy. But there WAS a Q/R some months ago that said it was ok to pray for a df'd one if you knew that they weren't still "living a sin." Like a JW commented to me "How would you know if someone df'd was ok to pray for unless you had been talking to them?" This JW also speculated that this KM insert was a reaction to that Q/R, thinking that many JWs were suddenly getting too liberal in their treatment of the df'd. Another said "So, what is it then? Either total shunning, or not? How can they go back and forth on this?"
I got a great laugh that I had this info from the board here WEEKS before any of the JWs I know. One said "What insert? You already have the August KM? HOW did you get that? I don't even have it yet!" JWs just HATE it when someone gets the scoop on them. LOL
Craig (of the df'd for good class)
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Today is my birthday...
by Preston in...and i have nobody to celebrate it with.
i wish i could make a big deal about it here but i don't post enough... anywho, remind me to kill the baker and to leave joseph in his cell.
lol, a little post jw humor.
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Happy birthday, DUDE!
Craig
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I personally would like to thank JanH
by zenpunk inyour series on the history of the blood issue was amazing.
my husband left the organization before i did but he always held on to the belief that blood transfusions were just wrong.
so one night we read your series, parts 1 through 6 together.
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Dear Yawn, please deign (read Dane) to admit that everything you know you learned from AlanF, and everything AlanF knows he learned from me!!!!!!
I really enjoy and benefit from your thoughtful posts, though I must admit I am still struggling with the mitochondrial Eve hypothesis.
Craig (of the delusional class)
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Nation panics as Alzheimers ravages Dear Abby
by Naeblis inchaos spread across much of north america last week at news that pauline phillips, author of the dear abby advice column was suffering from alzheimers disease.
pauline phillips began writing the column in 1955, after her sister who wrote as ann landers began writing for the chicago sun.
while spokesmen for the aging advice columnist insisted that mrs phillips was in fine physical condition and in good spirits, the growing buzz in newspaper circles is that all is not well in the advice empire.
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Yes, indeed, Naeblis, Americans are indeed in a state of rabid panic, now that Abby is gone. After all, she was the only one we could trust: she never had a taint of corporate corruption, no insider stock trading, no tabloid scandals, no sexual escapades, just a plain old squeaky clean reputation.
Personally, I think her death is one of the "signs of the last days," and I am doing a re-inventory of my bomb shelter supplies. BTW, I have several automatic weapons to defend my stash.
LMAO! Great satire, Naeb.
Craig (of the now searching for a new advisor class)