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  The Apostasy Within

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the latest watchtower (july 15, 2014, page 14, paragraph 10) it says; today, jehovahs people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation.

  still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them.. so, not often, but occasionally jws are exposed to apostasy within the congregation, and they are instructed to decisively reject it.

  as we all know, the vast majority of the apostasy they are exposed to comes from the governing body.. i am meeting up soon with an old friend from the 1970s who i havent seen for decades, who is still an active jw, and who would really like to hear what i think about things.

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  wizzstick

  607 is the one I would discuss.

  Highlight the physical evidence and how it shows clearly thr reign of kings, and how there is no missing 20 years.

  Kill that and so much collapses.
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  WT article covering 587 and the missing 20 years?

  by UnConfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  published in the last two or three years,please and thank you..

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  wizzstick

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011736

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011810
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  Same sex marriage legalised in the UK at midnight tonight!!!

  by DuvanMuvan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  title pretty much explains it all.

  lots of people are getting married at midnight tonight.. what do you guys think?

  maybe if anyone gets called on by a jw this weekend you can ask them what they think about it.. im just glad because it shows that religion doesn't define our conscience, that basic human decency can prevail over time and hopefully, these types of gradual but big changes will be present in the wts too in the future .

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  wizzstick

  This can't be right.

  I can distinctly remember a brother on the platform years ago saying "We know the end is close brothers, because homosexuals wan't to get married and God would never allow the sacred arrangement of marriage to be polluted like that."

  Don't tell me they got something else wrong?!
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  Preparing for my next visit from my Elderette - Who (or what) is the Faithful & Discreet Slave, and why do JW's worship and follow a slave?

  by Faithful Witness in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  she is coming tomorrow afternoon, and i do plan to have a coherent mind and much better concentration this time.

  i was suffering from hypoglycemia last time she made a surprise visit, and i was foggy and literally could not comprehend a simple sentence i was reading.

  our plans are to discuss the topic of the fds.

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  wizzstick

  A simple point is that in Matthew 24:36-51 are a series of parables.

  Not, parable, parable, parable, prophecy, hypothetical situation...

  So ask her:

  1) Where is the evidence that Jesus intended this the be a prophecy?

  2) What about the second faithful slave?

  SECOND? Yes...the parables continue in Matthew 25. Read from 14-30.

  14 “For it is just like a man about to travel abroad who summoned his slaves and entrusted his belongings to them. 15 He gave five talents * to one, two to another, and one to still another, to each according to his own ability, and he went abroad. 16 Immediately the one who received the five talents went and did business with them and gained five more. 17 Likewise, the one who received the two gained two more. 18 But the slave who received just one went off and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money. *

  19 “After a long time, the master of those slaves came and settled accounts with them. + 20 So the one who had received the five talents came forward and brought five additional talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me; see, I gained five talents more.’ + 21 His master said to him: ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You were faithful over a few things. I will appoint you over many things. + Enter into the joy of your master.’ + 22 Next the one who had received the two talents came forward and said, ‘Master, you entrusted two talents to me; see, I gained two talents more.’ + 23 His master said to him: ‘Well done, good and faithful slave! You were faithful over a few things. I will appoint you over many things. Enter into the joy of your master.’

  24 “Finally the slave who had received the one talent came forward and said: ‘Master, I knew you to be a demanding man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering where you did not winnow. + 25 So I grew afraid and went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 In reply his master said to him: ‘Wicked and sluggish slave, you knew, did you, that I reaped where I did not sow and gathered where I did not winnow? 27 Well, then, you should have deposited my money * with the bankers, and on my coming I would have received it back with interest.

  28 “‘Therefore, take the talent away from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. + 29 For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. + 30 And throw the good-for-nothing slave out into the darkness outside. There is where his weeping and the gnashing of his teeth will be.’

  So who is represented by the slave that received 5 talents, and who is represented by the slave that received 2 talents?

  What? Can't she answer that?

  Another great point is from the Watchtower 1981 Mar 1 pp.24-26. You can show her that from the WT CD-ROM. That's not apostate surely?

  "Witnesses of Jehovah understand that the "slave" is comprised of all anointed Christians as a group on earth at any given time during the 19 centuries since Pentecost. Accordingly, the "domestics" are these followers of Christ as individuals.
  
  Some readers may feel that this is a rather sectarian view of matters. Or they may object to the idea that the "slave" and the "domestics" represent the same class, one as a composite body and the other as individuals. The objectors may argue that not all of Christ's anointed disciples have a share in preparing the spiritual food, so that perhaps the "slave" pictures only the leading ones, and the "domestics" those they serve in the congregation.
  
  There is no point in trying to force an interpretation of the parable. Self-deception is of no benefit and is spiritually damaging. Therefore, we must look to the Scriptures for an understanding. In doing this, what do we find?
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  Thus we see a clear Scriptural basis for saying that all anointed followers of Christ Jesus make up God's "servant," with Jesus as its Master."

  So in 1981, the idea that the leading ones alone (The Governing Body are surely the leading ones) are the FDS, was an idea of objectors? So how can it now be correct that the objectors had it right all along.

  That and other good background points are in: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/faithful-discreet-slave.php
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  The "Great Crowd" at Rev 19:1,6 are said by JWs to be "angels"

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't usually do it anymore (debating with a jw) but my co-worker is a "devout" jws and she just always want to talk about the bible with me.

  i try to avoid her because i just realize it is a "waste" of time trying to show the jws anything negative about the wt society.

  i believe everybody has a right to belong to whichever religion or faith he or she wishes, but talking to a jws about their beliefs just goes in circles.

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  wizzstick

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989233

  Do those of the “great crowd” referred to at Revelation 7:9, 10 also go to heaven?

  The “great crowd in heaven” referred to at Revelation 19:1, 6 is not the same as the “great crowd” of Revelation 7:9 . The ones in heaven are not described as being “out of all nations” or as ascribing their salvation to the Lamb; they are angels. The expression “great crowd” is used in a variety of contexts in the Bible.— Mark 5:24; 6:34; 12:37 .

  Couple of points on this:

  1) Nowhere does it suggest that these are angels, instead when there is an angel it is clearly listed as such.

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/66/19#h=128:0-128:197

  So not much help when trying to adamantly state that the "great crowd" are angels.

  2) The “great crowd” references in the NWT of Mark 5:24; 6:34; 12:37 never actually mention the word "great" instead each reference uses the word "large". Not much use then when arguing that the expression "great crowd" is used elsewhere!

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/41/5#dcv_5_24

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/41/6#dcv_6_34

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/41/12#dcv_12_37

  Dimebars!
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  Memorial 2014: Wrong date?

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this was meant to have nice inserted pictures and tidy hyperlinks but the forum's being glitchy today.

  so unfortunately it's going to be a messy post where you're going to have to exercise your tapping fingers and click on the links to the pics to see what i'm referring to.

  sorry about that.. in the article recently studied "do this in remembrance of me" (w13 12/15), there is a box on p. 23 giving the date of this year's memorial and how that date is arrived at.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013926.

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  wizzstick

  Hmm, interesting theory but when I type it in I get:

  #https://www.hebcal.com/converter/?hd=14&hm=Nisan&hy=5774&h2g=1

  What am I doing wrong?
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  Hello, I am new

  by LillyC in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not a jehovah's witness but i am very interested, i have many questions and hope they can be answered here.. i do believe in god, privately.

  i do say my prayers daily and do believe god helps me in countless ways.

  but i don't go to any church.. i have always been impressed at how smart, polite and nice jehovah's witnesses are and i always make time to speak to them when they call at my door.

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  wizzstick

  Hello LillyC,

  A very warm welcome to you!

  A great place to learn about Jehovah's Witnesses is: http://www.jwfacts.com/

  Enjoy your research and keep an open mind.

  Welcome again.
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  Conversation with a JW on the 144,000!

  by ADJUSTMENTS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  great short video, it uses plain old common sense!.

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  http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r-fvqzcziqe.

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  wizzstick

  Can heaven itself not have "a great crowd" just as the earth would?

  To the WT, the Great Crowd of Rev 7 is very much on earth so any discussion naturally will focus on their understanding.

  It's important to remember that the Christian Greek scriptures were not written in english but in Greek. And that is where the truth is clearly lies.

  Check out this e-mail from Jason BeDuhn (who the society cheerfully quotes from: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102009069?q=jason+beduhn&p=par):

  http://www.jwfacts.com/images/naos-beduhn-email.png

  Before (Enopion - meaning in sight off) the throne

  In his Temple (Naos) - Naos means the divine habitation.

  For the great crowd to be on earth, the word for temple here needs to be Heiron. But it isn't.

  Then you have the problem of the other mention of 'a great crowd' in Revelation 19:1:

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/E/2013/66/19

  And here, they are clearly in heaven...

  Very good article on this subject is here: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/great-crowd-other-sheep.php
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  One day Assemblies and the removal of the RBC

  by A.proclaimer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was at a jw gathering today, and i over heard a brother telling a sister about these new changes.

  according to him, both one day circuit assemblies will be put together on the same weekend, one on saturday, the next on sunday.

  that way the assembly halls could be used to fit in more circuits as they increase in numbers.

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  wizzstick

  I also overheard something about having rescue teams during disasters. That brothers have their own equipment and such.

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  International BS Rescue is GO!!!!!
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  So how many of us had guilt pangs because our WT was not highlighted?

  by cultBgone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we attended several different congregations in different states, and the one common thread among them all was...if you had your study article highlighted, you were a good jw.. honestly, how often did you cover over your magazine when the attendant walked by handing out copies to visitors?.

  sheesh.

  would anyone believe how weird this organization really is?.

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  wizzstick

  My wife used to underline mine if I hadn't done it.

  Seriously.

  She was that worried about comments from the brothers and sisters.