Posts by rebel8

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Hello!

by mikeypants in

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wanted to say hello to you all.

i am new to the forum and just wanted to introduce myself.

i was raised a witness, never baptized (yay) and am married to a lovely baptized witness of jehovah.. i had been trying to get back into it due to both our families being j dbs but just never could get it into my heart.

rebel8

I don't know about y'all, but anyone who uses the word minutiae is good in my book. :)

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A Genuine Venetian Singing Gondolier- But where is he Singing?

by fulltimestudent in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1wwgxzrw3s.

rebel8

The Venetian Resort? There's no way water that clear is in the canals of Venice.

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Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

by Londo111 in

this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

feel free to poke holes.

i have many doubts about this myself.

rebel8

I have a little hard time believing actual doctrine comes from outside, but it does seem they have been rebranding themselves, like jgnat said. The logo/URL seems like what JC Penney did with JCP.com. Simple and easy. The cartoons and other stuff--just seems like marketing savvy.

Perhaps conversations get going with consultants and they learn how to appeal to certain demographics who are more likely to join or stay in. Maybe they study what doctrines are turning people off, stats on why people are dfd, etc.

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Why are people so dramatic

by rebel8 in

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i want to retire.

i'm quite a ways off from the age to collect social security and all.

i don't hate working--i actually like it.

rebel8

I want to retire. I'm quite a ways off from the age to collect Social Security and all. I don't hate working--I actually like it. I just hate some people.

There appears to be a somewhat large percentage of the human race that needs to create drama all the time. It's like breathing to them--second nature. Drama hounds. Need to create conflict, gossip, find fault, manipulate, etc. Waste more damn time doing all that crap than they do just working.

I accepted my current job with a plan it will take me further away from all that and let me spend more time alone. So far it's not working out that way. Drama, drama, drama. It's like how I imagine Survivor to be--someone's always trying to build an alliance and vote someone off the island.

People suck, and I wish I could retire right now.

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My friends don't believe dinosaurs existed ....

by wannabefree in

i just found this out last night.

(preface: this is a husband and wife that i have come to be friends with after leaving the borg, they are christians).

we were sitting around visiting last night and having a good time when my friend starts in on illegal immigration and politics and starts throwing out his hate speech which eventually turns to homosexuals.

rebel8

I heard dubs claim dinosaurs were bulldozer-shaped and demons made fossils too. It's just so sad the lengths people will go to in order to avoid disconfirming their beliefs.

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Bible amusement parks, haunted houses, etc.

by rebel8 in

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this thread has no point except...i find this weird.

(also, i haven't run into outlaw in a while and i know this is bound to make him show up.).

i accidentally spent about 5 minutes on kpaz channel.

rebel8

This thread has no point except...I find this weird. (Also, I haven't run into Outlaw in a while and I know this is bound to make him show up.)

I accidentally spent about 5 minutes on KPAZ channel. omg.

Maybe it's my former jw self but why do people think Jesus' last meal and execution is entertaining? Last snack? Recreations of the passion? My flesh crawls.

http://www.holylandexperience.com/exhibits/exhibits.html

	Garden of Eden: Recreation of the garden described in Genesis.
	Bethlehem Bus Loop: Area stations of Bethlehem village.
	Noah's Ark: A tenth-scale recreation of the Ark that God instructed Noah to build.
	Face of Jesus Statue: Jesus watches over you wherever you go.
	Main entrance/City Gate: Pass beneath the stone arch modeled after the Damascus and Jaffa Gates of Jerusalem.
	Guest Services: Located near the City Gate, accessible from both inside and outside the facility.
	Ticket Booth: Purchase daily and special event tickets here.
	Holy Grounds Café: A gourmet coffee shop with milk shakes and sweet treats -- some directly from Israel!
	Jerusalem Street Market: Browse the beautiful marketplace.
	Solomon's Treasures: Experience 1st Century shopping.
	Smile of a Child Adventure Theatre: Movies, Kid Style Fun and Face Painting.
	Smile of a Child Adventure Land: Tackle the rock-climbing walls, enjoy a laugh at the interactive presentations and visit Jonah in the belly of a whale.
	Wilderness Tabernacle: Behold the High Priest as he takes you on a journey through Israel’s ancient priesthood, culminating with the glory of God revealed above the Ark of the Covenant. (20 minute presentations)
	Garden of Gethsemane: Come rest awhile in the beautiful replica of the prayer gardens in Israel.
	Holy Communion with Jesus: Become like one of Jesus' disciples at the Last Supper in the Upper Room.
	Qumran Caves: Replica of desert cave where the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered.
	Tiny Town of Bethlehem: Model of the town of Bethlehem.
	Birth Place of Jesus: Replica of the birth place in Bethlehem where Jesus was born.
	Whipping Post: Recreation of the place Pilate had Jesus scourged.
	Jehovah- Jirah Healing Garden: Seek healing and comfort in this peaceful setting.
	Calvary's Garden Tomb: Visit the replica of the garden tomb where Jesus’ body was laid to rest before His glorious resurrection. Go inside and look at the ancient Biblical artifacts.
	Road to Emmaus: Enjoy a peaceful lakeside stroll.
	Testimony Cross: Nail your burdens, prayer requests and praise reports to the cross.
	Esther's Banquet Hall: Sit down and enjoy a meal in a beautiful environment.
	Jesus Boat: Replica of a boat found on the shores of Galilee preserved for more than 2000 years.
	Temple Plaza: Featuring a replica of the Temple of Jerusalem during the reign of Herod, 66 A. D.
	Theater of Life: Home to a variety of TBN Family Movies. See Daily Schedule for times.
	Martha's Kitchen: Enjoy a sandwich, snack or cold drink between activities.
	Christus Gardens: Take a devotional walk through the birth, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
	Jerusalem Model A.D. 66: The world’s largest indoor model of Jerusalem. Presentations explain the city’s landmarks and Christ’s final days in Jerusalem. 30-minute presentations, see Daily Schedule for times.
	House of Judea: Our cool and refreshing, state-of-the-art venue for dramas, musicals, and presentations.
	Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh Shop: Bibles, distinctive gifts and more.
	Bethlehem Bell Tower (Church of the Nativity, Israel): Enjoy the hourly chimes.
	Church of All Nations: 2000 seat auditorium. Enjoy live presentations, worship and more.
	Baptismal Pool: Follow Jesus in water baptism. (Weather permitting)
	The Scriptorium: Experience this amazing journey through the history of the Bible. See the world's largest private collection of authentic ancient artifacts. Continuous 55 minute automated tours begin every 7 minutes. See daily schedule for operating hours.
	Ex Libris Book Shoppe: Bibles, books, gifts and more.
	Living Word Prayer Gardens: Prayer gardens for intercession and healing. Rest and hear God's Word.
	He is Risen: Natural living hedge recreation of Matthew 28:6.
	Last Snack: Enjoy a sandwich, snack or cold drink between activities.
	Crystal Living Waters: See and hear the world-class dancing waters presentation.
	Tour Bus Gate: Exit for groups on tour buses.
	Dr. Paul F. Crouch Antiquities Collection: See the priceless items belonging to Dr. Paul.
	Golgotha: Imagine what Jesus felt standing atop this recreation of Calvary's hill, made of real stone from Israel.

Along the same lines, Hell Houses. omg.

For prices around $299.00, it is once again possible this year to buy a Hell House Kit for creating your own moralist haunted house....hit on the idea of encouraging church communities to construct haunted houses anyway. They would be designed in the typical scare-the-crap-out-of-the-kids spirit. But the frights would be religiously-themed: the seven deadly sins...In most hell houses you’ll be scared not by a ghost, but a vision of a woman bleeding to death from between her legs—she’s terminated a pregnancy...The basic kit goes for $299.00, but from there the church offers plug-in “modules,” allowing a particular hell house to address specific sins in one’s own neighborhood.

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True Apostates

by objectivetruth in

all truly great men & women of past & present all have something in common.. they stand up for truth.. "i am not bound to win, but i am bound to be true.

i am not bound to succeed, but i am bound to live by the light that i have.

i must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.

rebel8

That was a really beautiful OP. It pretty much sums up my life.

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A few verbatim quotes from Anthony Morris' talk during the Branch Visit.

by Open mind in

haven't contributed much here in a while.

it's not modest and it's certainly not sound of mind.

you be spiritual man enough to tell these young fellows 'you don't go out in the ministry looking like that.

rebel8

"If you haven't, my next question is, but have you been able to find a way to get a trip to a well-known amusement park?" (Long pause) "Explain that to God."

Ok. "Hey jehoopla, I spend 4 hours at meetings every week, hours in field service, hours getting ready and traveling to those things, cleaning the Hall, going to assemblies, personal and family study, sacrificing fun and normalcy in every single aspect of my and my family's life, and have laid down on the altar ready to die for the blood myth. I'm going to Six Flags. K?"

Why is it so important to visit Bethel? Going there is such a nail-in-the-coffin experience for a jw who doesn't like brainwashing or communes.

..what it is is this Spanx, this skin-tight stuff they wear. Now, are you sisters wearing this in the ministry? No. I can't say that I've ever seen that. But when they exercise, they leave their home and they're jogging in this stuff?

Are you kidding?! He doesn't know they're undergarments? He doesn't know women wore girdles for decades? I think we should do a mass letter campaign to answer his question, "...are you sisters wearing this in the ministry?" Ladies, he wants to know what type of underwear we're wearing while selling his message. I think we should write him to let him know how uncomfortable and sweaty we are and ask if Jehovah would mind if we wore cotton Hanes instead, although our love handles will show. "Brother, if Jehovah hates Spanx, why did he give me cottage cheese thighs?"

If he's talking about exercise wear, um, what are they supposed to wear when jogging? Prarie skirts? I have a fundie employee right now who only owns past-the-knee full skirts, no jeans, etc. I asked her what she wears when cleaning or gardening. Skirts.

tight all the way down to the ankles. And, that is not modest brothers.

omg. Yes. It's so inappropriate for us to see the outline of your calves and ankles.We may get turned on.

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"It's the intent that counts and not the result."

by donny in

"it's the intent that counts not the result.".

i have been out of the jw organization for some 22 years now and i sometimes get a reminding jolt out the hoops that some will jump through to make their religion make sense to them.

the first line in this post is what a jw on the street here in salinas told me on saturday when trying to justify the society's history of false prophecies.

rebel8

Intent does matter--exactly.

Me: Think about what you just said. It is better to put forth bad data to keep folks excited than it is to wait for clear and concise instructions.

JW: I know it sounds weird but that is the way Jehovah works?

Was he asking or telling?

That may be the first time I've ever heard a jw state jehovah does that on purpose.

Somebody needs to practice his sales pitches from the Reasoning book.

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Children calling jw adults uncle and auntie, when did that start?

by awakening in

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friends

i cant figure out when the auntie and uncle thing started or why.

it sure is a peadophiles dream to have a kid they dont know call them uncle!

they are now in a special relationship.

rebel8

tim hooper, that is creepy! In my area in the 70s, it was not socially acceptable to call adults by first names (as you said), so we called them bro and sis. It was an opportunity to "be different from the world" while out in public, like wearing unfashionable fringe as the Israelites did.