LeftBehind, Yes, I do worry about him ratting me out. It is a possibility, I'd like to think that he IS concerned and will at least try to understand why we are where we are. But, in the end, if he doesn't like it or try, he will forward the email...keep the org clean blah blah blah...... The we will be free!!!
Trouble is the wifes parents are old, and will be needing us to assist them soon.
Lonely sheep and Amazing 1914, Thanks.
geevee
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A "Friend" Writes
by geevee ingeevee, what's the story?
word on the street is that your not going to well spiritually.
i hope it's not true.
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A "Friend" Writes
by geevee ingeevee, what's the story?
word on the street is that your not going to well spiritually.
i hope it's not true.
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GeeVee, what's the story? Word on the street is that your not going to well spiritually. I hope it's not true. Please get back to me & let me know. Don't worry if you've had a bit of a set back. We all have them at times, but you know there's no other game in town. I'm genuinely concerned. If it's true let's get back on track, you've got a lot of genuine friends who want to help you. Talk to me!!!
My Reply:
We/I do appreciate that you are concerned about us. In fact, in virtually a year, apart from My wife's parents, you are the first to take the time to express your concern and even ask, out of all the people I know. So I respect that of you.
You must understand, that I will be very guarded in my reply to you, the wrong answer could get me into huge trouble. If you want unguarded and complete honesty, I must trust that there would be no recriminations....
If you really want to know what has got us to where we are, then I offer you some links to view some information. This information, when I watched it on TV left me/us feeling gutted. It is very easy to say that all these people featured in these stories are "apostate". I used to pride myself by being able to say to people when I talked to them about corruption in the churches, that we do not tolerate this kind of behavior, if any are discovered, they are kicked out. I have heard plenty of Elders who would/should know better repeat my sentiments, even from the platform. But sadly this is not always true.
Even though these are TV stories, I have checked with witnesses who know these people and these accounts are true. I have spoken to one of them and he knows the others. I can get you the transcripts to the stories if you think something has been taken away or even added after the fact.
But Friend, they are real people, they were/are card carrying JW's. They have been hung out to dry. The first link parts 1 then 2 is where to start, followed by the second one from may 29th last year. The third one is a seperate issue, something else that I have come across, and didn't know about. Maybe I/we have just been niave, perhaps you know about all this stuff and it doesn't bother you. There is more.
I ask that before I say anything that you look at these, then I will tell you of my efforts to find out about this whole situation.
The thing that makes us different from animals is our ability to reason and question things for ourselves. By questioning, I mean to be able to verify information from many sources whatever it is that you are told and to establish it as truth for yourself. Otherwise, you have one side of a story, only part of the needed information and you have to make a life or death decision on that information.
1a: http://www.wtmedia.org/SilentWitnesses1.wmv [6mb]
1b: http://www.wtmedia.org/SilentWitnesses2.wmv [6mb]
2: http://www.wtmedia.org/Silent_Lambs_29_May_05.wmv [14mb]
3: http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf [2 pages]
Please dont just dismiss this information, without looking at it. Like they say, if you want to understand the perspective of another, walk a mile or two in their shoes. You see, I dont see it as "not going too well spiritually". This has nothing to do with spirituality. May be something to do with religiosity, but not spirituality and there is a difference. The Pharasees were very religious, but they had no spirituality. They thought as they had been taught, that they were doing everything right by God. They had their practices, they had their priesthood and Jehovah's temple, they washed to the elbows, they wouldn't work on the sabbath, they did everything they could, but Jesus came and smashed their whole system. The Pharasees castigated Christ and those that followed him.
But they didnt understand God's purposes, and he had no further need of them and their religious system.
Well that is all I am saying on this at the moment. If you decide that you want to check the links, please do so and I will be happy to discuss things further with you. If you dont want to, then please just let us go our own way and leave it at that.
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me, the apostate attending jw funeral/memorial service
by Lutece67 intomorrow i am going to pay respects to a woman i knew for many years who passed away.
i'm not really sad, she was in her 90's and i was surprised she made it so long considering her numerous trips to the hospital.
she also was more of a friend of my mom's than mine.
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All the best in your attendance. One of my peeves is that not many witnesses place obituaries in the paper. Why? Weren't they a loved and respected m,ember of their community? Are'nt they fondly remembered by their loved ones and friends? Wouldn't they be able to give a little "witness" by saying things about awaiting the resurection....blah blah blah?
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Best ways to disrupt meetings, assemblies, etc...
by What-A-Coincidence inshine a laser pen on the outline given by the speaker at an assembly.. take notes in finger paint.. at sensitive moments, blow your nose raucously.
apologize for your sinus condition.. wear a disposable paper face mask.
tell the brothers: hey, you don't want to catch what i've got!.
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A "troubled" guy yelled out at the top of his lungs after the Public Talk at a district convention "USE YOUR INSTINCTS"..... we just thought he was crazy, he had three "heavies" following him around at the time, who then escorted him out.
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Yesterday's Tower
by 5thGeneration insome funny comments.. 1.
"an elder and his wife who have raised three children report: 'from an early age, our children were involved in choosing where we would go on vacation... certain milestones in our children's lives were recognized...'" ???.
"at a time that does not interfere with spiritual activities, a few families may decide to enjoy a picnic together or play a game that is not overly competitive.
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Bit off topic, but Danny Hazards picture is kinda funny. Barber may have lost some marbles, but he still has an eye for the ladies........
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How did you cope?
by Zico inwhen you found out that this religion probably wasn't the one true religion like you had believed probably for a large portion of your life, or maybe even all of it, how did you react?
my whole life belongs to the society.
all my friends are witnesses, my family are witnesses, even my job is dedicated to the society.
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Hi again,
Just another thought. The WTS would like you to think that if you leave the organization, your life will take a trip down the crapper. That anything you will do will not succeed, because as they see it Jehovah is not involved in your life, as when you leave the org, you leave him.
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Official GB spin on decreases. (serious)
by yesidid ini just received an email from a faithful witness, re their co's visit.
"our co just came back from two months co training.
he said there were two important things headquarters want the brothers to know:.
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Must've been a huge exercise to get the whole FDS together to be able to have their approval for such an announcement on their behalf. Would've cost a huge amount to do that.
Yes these greeting are crap.
We had a top gun elder bring us the love of XXXXX congregation. a friend happened to know someone there and said it was nice of them to send thier love via BroXXXXXX, he said who? never even saw him at any of our meetings!!!!! -
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questions to ask your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR
by jwfacts ini have just written the following (long) article.
i would appreciate comments and suggestions on things i can add or subtract.. .
baptism as one of jehovahs witnesses is a significant step as it is a life time commitment to the watchtower society.
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Hey jwfacts...an interesting bunch of questions. You have put a lot of thought into it. Must get onto your site and download them from there.
Anything about the so called Governing Body? Even though the term isn't in the Bible? In your section on History, something could be slotted in there, as the FDS always has existed, so logically so too the GB. Who were they before Russell?
It is a great list. I'd love to get called on when I am away on vacation, and have some fun with the listed questions!!!! ;-)) -
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God led me to the JW congregation.
by jw ini rented a house in the late !970's and the contents in the home were given to me.. it happened to be books: ( making my life happy, revelation, children bible stories, listening to the great teacher ) i was enjoying the reading.. -----------------------------------.
a few years later began to notice awake magazines in doctor offices, and other public places and read them and enjoyed them.. ------------------------------------.
late 1980's my 7th son was 2 yrs.
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Did you ever think that maybe your son was talking to an actual person? Just because you lock the doors doesn't mean people stay out of your house. Perhaps a previous tenant who still held a key?
Your description of the bible book is a bit cryptic too. Was it a bible that you are talking about or another book?
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How did you cope?
by Zico inwhen you found out that this religion probably wasn't the one true religion like you had believed probably for a large portion of your life, or maybe even all of it, how did you react?
my whole life belongs to the society.
all my friends are witnesses, my family are witnesses, even my job is dedicated to the society.
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What you are saying is all true. It is not easy to walk away. But once you have the right reasons in your head, how can you stay in it? We were appalled at the pedophile issue. I didn't believe that could happen and they could actually still be part of the congregation of "Jehovah". Yet there they are. Some manage to stay in. Victims end up out. The societies policies DO hurt people, and they take no responsibility for it. Wont even change they way they handle it.
If they can be wrong about that, what else can they be wrong about? So we started reading. and reading, all the books we could lay our hands on by all the great apostates.
Once you unravel the BS there is no going back.
So, now you have life to live. Make plans for the future. Secure your retirement, set LONG TERM goals for yourself, and ENJOY every day that you are away from the WT. Trust me life is never better, sure there continue to be hardships with constant reminders of not ever fully being free of it, as in our case every one of our relatives are still in, but if your concentrate on looking forward its such a relief to be out, to develop your own identity, not one of the clone varieties they teach you to be, the way you can look at everything differently, how beautiful every Sunday morning can be sitting outside in the sun eating bacon & eggs for breakfast with your kids. Don,t waste anymore of your life in a fake organisation, for us 40 plus years was way to long.
It is time to stop living a life ruled by guilt and fear.