Posts by kairos

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How old were you ??

by Clambake in

when you had to start dumping your worldy friends ??.

just curious that's all.

not being a witness ( ubm here ) i think everyone has known a jw kid and at a certain age " my mommy won't let me play with you ".

kairos

I was fresh out of high school when I started "witnessing" to my friends. ( 18 years old. 1986 )

Thankfully none of them followed me in to the Org. I have started looking for my old friends. Many are accepting.

After 29 years, it's nice to know that old friends and family are understanding of the dangers of mind control. I usually start with "I recently escaped from a mind control cult". That puts them at ease that I won't be "witnessing" to them any more. It's also an admission of my own mistakes.

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Talking to support and contacts at WT HQ

by Juan Viejo2 in

i have a story to share about my calls to wt ny hq this past week.

i was quite surprised by the level of disinterest and lack of concern from the two contacts that i spoke to.

rather than jumping right in and sharing my experience - and perhaps "poisoning the well," i'd like to read experiences of others on this forum who had the urge or need to call the wt contact number.. btw - mine was not an apostate rant or overly critical of the wt and was presented in a friendly and helpful way.

kairos

All the WT desk "employee" did was say "mmm hmmm". ( brain dead )

They have to be sure they parrot the current GB doctrine, which as we know, is nearly impossible to keep up with. Even for a full time Bethel phone jockey...

They are most concerned with maintaining their privileges and avoiding being sent home.

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Talking to support and contacts at WT HQ

by Juan Viejo2 in

i have a story to share about my calls to wt ny hq this past week.

i was quite surprised by the level of disinterest and lack of concern from the two contacts that i spoke to.

rather than jumping right in and sharing my experience - and perhaps "poisoning the well," i'd like to read experiences of others on this forum who had the urge or need to call the wt contact number.. btw - mine was not an apostate rant or overly critical of the wt and was presented in a friendly and helpful way.

kairos

I enjoyed your approach.

Thanks.

Please do more.

I get the feeling that the call operators are too scared to speak.

Seems their job is to frustrate callers so they hang up or don't call back.

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Do you feel bad throwing away literature?

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

so do you feel bad throwing away your old literature?.

what about your old song book or bible from your early days in the org?.

if so, is it because of sentimentality, monetary cost or because it might be 'sacred' ?.

kairos

My study copy of the book I came in with: Live Forever.

Also, four book study time favorite: Revelation Climax.

These both got tossed due to a misunderstanding. I really wish I still had those. The religion I came into is not what exist today.

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Epiphany moment this morning!!

by kairos in

jw
friends

after all my reading, conversations, study, meditating, video watching, etc.. this for me, could very well be the "end all" topic to clearly define why being a jw is useless.. there is zero scriptural evidence that following the rules of a "governing body" of men is required to be acceptable to god or to gain salvation ( everlasting life in paradise ).. when asked by anyone, this will be my reply.

"show me the evidence".... i don't care if it cries out, "i'm an apostate"!.

whomever hears the comment will not be able to ignore it.

kairos

I would have to include the requirement to provide proof with only the bible when speaking directly to others. They NEVER like that.

This does something, too. Makes them realize that they cannot defend their "faith" without reading the answers out of the Watchtower publications. The WTS are "masters over their faith".

LOABB ( listen, obey and be blessed )

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Update

by freemindfade in

so since i blew up at my family for being self righteous hate mongers, my uncle sent me a huge letter calling my ignorant and uncaring.

to which i exploded back with an email.

may have gone a bit too far on that one, but whatever what is done is done.

kairos

If you are comfortable posting the e-mails, I'd read them.

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Epiphany moment this morning!!

by kairos in

jw
friends

after all my reading, conversations, study, meditating, video watching, etc.. this for me, could very well be the "end all" topic to clearly define why being a jw is useless.. there is zero scriptural evidence that following the rules of a "governing body" of men is required to be acceptable to god or to gain salvation ( everlasting life in paradise ).. when asked by anyone, this will be my reply.

"show me the evidence".... i don't care if it cries out, "i'm an apostate"!.

whomever hears the comment will not be able to ignore it.

kairos

After all my reading, conversations, study, meditating, video watching, etc.

This for me, could very well be the "end all" topic to clearly define why being a JW is useless.

There is zero scriptural evidence that following the rules of a "Governing Body" of men is required to be acceptable to god or to gain salvation ( everlasting life in paradise ).

When asked by anyone, this will be my reply.

"Show me the evidence"...

I don't care if it cries out, "I'm an apostate"!

Whomever hears the comment will not be able to ignore it. Maybe a simpler statement fastened to utility poles where JW's can see them. Under yard sales signs, near the hall, common route into the territory or favorite coffee shops, for example.

Psalm 146:3
Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/noble
It's your posts that are helping me the most!I welcome your thoughts on this.

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Local needs talk

by hoser in

one of the elders was missing his service bag and suspected that one of the publishers stole it.

he was determined to root out who did it so he decided to give a local needs part on the ten commandments focusing on you must not steal.. he enlisted the help of a trusted ministerial servant and got him to stand at the back of the kingdom hall during the part.

he told the ms that he would read off the ten commandments and when he got to the one "you must not steal" he would pause longer than usual and see if anyone acted nervous or suspicious.