Police shoot suspect....................er why?

by ISP 299 Replies latest members politics

  • katiekitten
    katiekitten

    Totally awful - BUT he wasnt shot in the head JUST because he tried to board a train,

    He was shot in the head because on a day soon after eight bombs had gone off in London on the underground system, he was asked to stop close to an underground station by armed officers, and instead of stopping he VAULTED the pay barrier (graphics supplied by national papers!) and ran full pelt towards a tube train and jumped on.

    Why vault the pay barrier? Any other day vaulting the pay barrier would have a guard chasing you and rugby tackling you to the ground. On this day it wasnt a guard, it was an armed officer. Stupid stupid stupid man. No he doesnt deserve to die, but sometimes stupidity at the wrong time is fatal.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother


    So ISP might have have been more right than we thought in his original post... but it is still too early to pass judgement on the police involved. They were watching the house where he came from, he acted suspiciously, refused to stop , they were hyped up expecting trouble....

    The news bulletin I just saw said he may be Brazilian (Dont they know yet?) Perhaps he did not understand, and thought that the plain clothes police were criminals chasing him. Perhaps he had reason to believe somebody might be after him Perhaps anything............

    I do know that there will be an enquiry, but lets not lose sight of the fact that 55 people died 2 weeks ago and many others had a lucky escape this week.. [PS I wish I was as eloquent as KatieKitten]

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Now the police have stated that the man was not connected to terrorism and I even hear he is a Brazilian, which then begs the question why was he under suspicion and surveillance. Also why did he try to run away from the police since he had nothing to feel guilty about nothing to hide?

  • katiekitten
    katiekitten

    Yea, poor guy, he probably didnt know any English.

    Next time i'm in Mexico and 20 armed police shout at me in a language I dont know soon after 8 bombs have gone off (he couldnt read either, so he had no idea there was any kind of terror alert in the UK?) im gonna run like f**k.

    Cos I know the government is going to spend thousands of pounds making sure my death is well investigated. Oh, no, I forgot. That only happens in the UK.

    Im not really making light of this, but I cant help thinking people have to at least TRY and help themselves. The world is not always a safe place where the RIGHT thing always happens. But at least in our country it is MOSTLY a safe place where MOSTLY the right thing happens.

    I still thank god nearly every day that I was born in my country and not many others.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    What a mess up for poor Mr Menezes and the police who will now be in hot water over this tragic incident. Did he get overwhelmed by panick and just run?

  • ISP
    ISP
    Stockwell shooting was mistake, says Met
    By Philippe Naughton, Times Online
    The man shot dead by police at Stockwell Underground station yesterday morning had nothing to do with Thursday’s abortive London bomb attacks, Scotland Yard said tonight.

    According to witnesses, the man was shot five times at close range after being chased onto a Northern Line train at the South London station at around 10am. Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, said later that the man was directly connected to the bungled bombings of three Tube trains and a London bus the day before.

    The Met said in a statement this afternoon: “We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.

    ”We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005. For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets.

    ”The man emerged from a block of flats in the Stockwell area that were under police surveillance as part of the investigation into the incidents on
    Thursday 21st July. He was then followed by surveillance officers to the Underground station. His clothing and behaviour added to their suspicions.

    ”The circumstances that led to the man's death are being investigated by officers from the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the IPCC [Independent Police Complaints Commission] in due course.”

    The shooting had been graphically described by a series of witnesses. One passenger on the train, Mark Whitby, said shortly afterwards: "As the man got on the train I looked at his face. He looked from left to right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, like a cornered fox. He looked absolutely petrified.

    "He sort of tripped but they were hotly pursuing him and couldn't have been more than two or three feet behind him at this time. They unloaded five shots into him. I saw it. He's dead, five shots, he's dead."

    The Met yesterday published CCTV images of the four suspected suicide bombers, whose bombs failed to properly detonate at Oval, Warren Street and Shepherd’s Bush stations and on a No 26 bus passing through Bethnal Green. The attacks came two weeks to the day after four suicide bombers killed 52 commuters in rush-hour attacks on three Tube trains and another double-decker bus.

    Two men were arrested yesterday in Stockwell in connection with the attacks and are being held at the high-security Paddington Green police station – although their precise connection with the bombings is not clear.

    The armed branches of the Metropolitan Police, which is believed to have been reinforced with special forces, has recently been given revised rules of engagement to deal with the threat of suicide bombers, which imply the immediate use of lethal force if the lives of civilians or officers are under threat.

    The Muslim Council of Britain expressed concern yesterday that there appeared to be a “shoot-to-kill” policy that needed explaining – and its calls for a full investigation will be backed up by today’s news that the man shot in Stockwell had nothing to do with Thursday’s terrorist attack.

    The IPCC, the police watchdog, has already announced that there will be an independent investigation into the shooting. Nick Hardwick, IPCC chairman, said the commission would use its own investigators to carry out the inquiry.

    "The shooting at Stockwell Station is being referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission for investigation, in line with normal requirements under the Police Reform Act 2002," he said. "The IPCC independently investigates all fatal police shootings. In carrying out this investigation, the IPCC will ensure that nothing is done to hinder the urgent police priority of tracking down and bringing to justice those responsible for the recent London bombings and their vital work to prevent further outrages."

    In a statement tonight, Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights organisation Liberty, said: "Our hearts go out to the family of the dead man and to the officers involved in this tragic incident.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1706021_1,00.html

    So now we have the truth. All those who posted in support of the execution should be ashamed.

    ISP

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    My position was that last night it was too early to evaluate the situation one way or other, but now it is clearly a deadly police error we'll see how they will try to justify themselves in the coming investigation.

  • ISP
    ISP
    My position was that last night it was too early to evaluate the situation one way or other

    No it was clear there was something not right. What I find very Watchtoweresque.....is the mentality that says.......the police know what they were doing.........the police must have had good reason to do what they did.........if there is something wrong it will come out in the end...you cant believe what is in the press.....in the meantime I would rather not use my brain to join up the dots. OMG its amazing how you left dubworld!

    ISP

  • ISP
    ISP
    Stupid stupid stupid man.

    Katie said......

    Surely not as stupid as the guy that tackled him and the other that put 5 shots in him?

    ISP

  • jeanniebeanz
    jeanniebeanz

    I wonder why he ran? It makes no sense...

    J

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