Turning the shunning policy around onto Mother... (page 5)

pratt1

First, I too send my condlences for you loss.

I can only imagine....

Second, good for you for letting you mom hear the truth for once and for all. You spoke for all of us who are being shunned by relatives and old friends.

Just one more thing, Only you know the true intentions of you mother's call, certainly not any of us, but is possible that she mises her daughter and really wanted to offer you some sort of comfort?

If so, she may call again, or perhaps something you said stuck a cord deep within herself and who knows? maybe she may be on her on road to recovery.

Anyway, just something to think about.

I admire your courage.

Respectfully, please spare me the ex elder 'stuff'. Ex elders are not people I think of fondly. Especially ones whom have only been recently posting on a forum where many have been posting for years. You know NOTHING. And please, take your mask off your face in your avatar. You are only making my point in how fake adult (thx gary) jws are by wearing a mask when they walk out their doors.

I know my Mother better than she knows herSELF. You say:

If she is the victim of a falsehood

Let's get something straight. Adult jws are NOT victims in any shape or form. Not in this day and computer age. THE WT CHILDREN ARE THE VICTIMS OF THESE ADULT JWS THAT ADHERE TO THE LETHAL POLICIES OF THE WTBTS BASED ON RANK DOCTRINE.

"Victim" is a cop out.

Please be wise in not patronizing me. I lived the jw life as a "dedicated baptized jw". As I recall, what I was reading and studying was focused on the destruction of Satan and his earthly org and all it's trappings. How we were to hate what jehovah hates. I remember what we were taught as to what jehovah hated. Thus the insane, twisted shunning policy.

Do you have any idea how frustrating to be on the receiving end of disfellowshipment? That everything you say is considered disgruntled lies designed to persecute? To be told you are now only heard by satan and that god can no longer be whom you turn to in your hour of need? Any idea how long it takes to reverse that warped belief? To finally be able to break free of such crap?

The ONLY way to handle an adult jw is to get them to get honest. And let me tell you, jws have yet to master that virtue.

I really would like to invite you to re-read my conversation with her. Keeping in mind of course, that what I posted was only a small portion of the [chat] we had.

And no, she did not call out of genuine concern. Jws do NOTHING out of genuine concern. There is ALWAYS an agenda and/ or alterior motive. I was just waiting for her to say something about the resurrection. I guess the paxal kicked in right about then.

So, let me reiterate in case some here have missed the krux of why she was 'treated' this way....

ADULT JWS ARE FAKE IN EVERY WAY WHEN IT COMES TO GENUINE HUMAN CONCERN FOR PEOPLE NOT IN THEIR RELIGION. It is what they print, teach and live. WE ARE NO PART OF THIS WICKED SYSTEM OF THINGS....

My Ass!!

sKally

marxiami

Kind of a weird thing, you want to tell your parents off who raised you up in that religion, but yet they still are your parents. Society (Not THE Society) teaches us that family is family and you stick by them no matter what. But yet we who were raised in that belief were abandoned and placed in third or fourth place in the life priority list as the WT got the first three spots.

How many of us had to go to therapy just to find out that we really didn't have good parents. That is a harsh thing to realize, and hurtful because we all want to be loved by our parents, but not at the cost of a "Society" named Watchtower and Bible Tract Society.

Yep I sat in the car as a boy by myself for two to three hours while my mom had "Bible Studies" with who I considered to be weird people anyway.

No I was never disfellowhiped, I left without ever getting baptized.

All the way around it still sucks. And all because of some yutz back in 1872 decided he wanted to start a religion.

Oh well.. at least I'm not still bound by the Jehov-di mind tricks.

Country_Woman

sKally,

Most of what I want to say has been said by others already.

I wish you wisdom and strenght.

As for your mother: maybe this was something like shock therapie and it does awake her. I hope so.

Sunspot

(((( Skally)))),

First and foremost........my deepest condolences and heartfelt sympathy to you on the tragic loss of yor son. It even hurt when reading about it in your post.

ADULT JWS ARE FAKE IN EVERY WAY WHEN IT COMES TO GENUINE HUMAN CONCERN FOR PEOPLE NOT IN THEIR RELIGION. It is what they print, teach and live. WE ARE NO PART OF THIS WICKED SYSTEM OF THINGS....

Amen.

Along the same lines and the poisonous JW mindset (not to minimize your grief an any way) when I was told that my super-fine pioneer daughter was getting married in FL, and that we weren't even going to receive an invitation to her milestone event, it was a nasty but well-planned slap in the face. (the religion that oozes loooove, remember)

I was a regular poster on another board (ARJW) and one of the resident JWs, rather than saying that he felt bad---came out with pretty much the same line that this "oncewasanelder" or whatever the hell his name is, that we MUST have had something else going on at the time this all was happening. It just couldn't possibly BE that she was being vicious and was purposely going way overboard to show me that I (we) weren't wanted at HER wedding!

It really stung (and stunk) JUST as she knew it would. This need to blame someone else when a JW acts as hateful as possible towards another family member---and feels SOOOO justfied (and arrogant) all the while, just goes beyond MY understanding, or what *I* would classify as "lovng" in any way.

Again, because *I* discovered what lying and oily sneaks the WTS was, then *I* am treated as if I was a mass murderer and horrible person not fit to even be on the same planet with!

The JW mindblock----a strange and dangerous thing to behold.

As for the "other comment" by that person, *I* will make the move to apologize for his insensitivity. This wasn't the time OR the place to say this.

hugs,

Annie

hamsterbait

Skally -

I am so sorry. a daughter needs the love and comfort of her mother in your situation.

Of course you are angry and bitter and hurting terribly. Certain brainwashed idiots cannot see that and it's not your problem.

The only way to remain a true blue dub is to cut out your heart and dissolve it in prussic acid. I couldn't do it.

Remember the good times with your boy and don't let anyone trample on the rest of your life.

Hugs

HB

avishai

((((Skally)))

Hell.....Yeah... Skally!!!!!! You are my absolute hero, just READING that was one of the most cathartic things I've had happen in a long time.

I'm gonna get off my ass and go do something right now. I dunno what, but dammit, something. Time to live, kick ass, and take names. I sure love ya. You rock!!!

dorayakii

It's difficult to show how much you feel for somebody whom you have never met and who lives on the opposite side of the world from you, but we all share a common bond in that we have all been affected in one way or another by this destructive but sugar-coated cult. Because of that common bond i hope my words dont seem empty when i say that i genuinely feel a sence of sorrow at your loss.

I feel really proud of you to have eloquently articulated to your mother both her own and the WT Society's hypocricy. You are right that there is no excuse for independant adult jws to be ignorant or dismissive of available resourses to check out the WT Society's historical and contemporary deceitfulness. They encourage others to examine their beliefs but also say that once you've found them theres no need to examine them anymore. Hypocrites.

I hope and pray, if and when your mother finally comes to her sences and leaves, that you can renew your relationship with her, that it will be strengthened greater than it was before... and also that she will be grateful to you for this conversation, and forgive what she may have perceived as undeserved harshness on your part.

sf

Avishai,

I'm glad it moved you. Now move over and give me that bar of soap. I missed a spot.~jumps back into the shower~

sKally

sf

Thanks again all.

sKally

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