Was the USA right to drop the Bomb on Japan to end WW2?

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  • chappy
    chappy

    The following is a portion taken from the book "Operation Downfall, The Invasion of Japan" by James Martin Davis. The complete work can be found here: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8141/downfall.html L O N G

    chappy

    As horrible as the battle of Japan would be off the beaches, it would be on Japanese soil that the American forces would face the most rugged and fanatical defense encountered during the war.

    Throughout the island-hopping Pacific campaign, Allied troops had always out numbered the Japanese 2 to 1 and sometimes 3 to 1.

    In Japan it would be different. By virtue of a combination of cunning, guesswork, and brilliant military reasoning, a number of Japan?s top military leaders were able to deduce, not only when, but where, the United States would land its first invasion force.

    Facing the 14 American divisions landing at Kyushu would be 14 Japanese divisions, 7 independent mixed brigades, 3 tank brigades and thousands of naval troops. On Kyushu the odds would be 3 to 2 in favor of the Japanese, with 790,000 enemy defenders against 550,000 Americans. This time the bulk of the Japanese defenders would not be the poorly trained and ill-equipped labor battalions that the Americans had faced in the earlier campaigns.

    The Japanese defenders would be the hard-core of the home army. These troops were well-fed and well equipped. They were familiar with the terrain, had stockpiles of arms and ammunition, and had developed an effective system of transportation and supply almost invisible from the air. Many of these Japanese troops were the elite of the army, and they were swollen with a fanatical fighting spirit.

    Japan?s network of beach defenses consisted of offshore mines, thousands of suicide scuba divers attacking landing craft, and mines planted on the beaches.

    Coming ashore, the American Eastern amphibious assault forces at Miyazaki would face three Japanese divisions, and two others poised for counterattack.

    Awaiting the Southeastern attack force at Ariake Bay was an entire division and at least one mixed infantry brigade.

    On the western shores of Kyushu, the Marines would face the most brutal opposition. Along the invasion beaches would be the three Japanese divisions, a tank brigade, a mixed infantry brigade and an artillery command. Components of two divisions would also be poised to launch counterattacks.

    If not needed to reinforce the primary landing beaches, the American Reserve Force would be landed at the base of Kagoshima Bay November 4, where they would be confronted by two mixed infantry brigades, parts of two infantry divisions and thousands of the naval troops.

    All along the invasion beaches, American troops would face coastal batteries, anti-landing obstacles and a network of heavily fortified pillboxes, bunkers, and underground fortresses.

    As Americans waded ashore, they would face intense artillery and mortar fire as they worked their way through concrete rubble and barbed-wire entanglements arranged to funnel them into the muzzle of these Japanese guns.

    On the beaches and beyond would be hundreds of Japanese machine gun positions, beach mines, booby traps, trip-wire mines and sniper units. Suicide units concealed in ?spider holes? would engage the troops as they passed nearby.

    In the heat of battle, Japanese infiltration units would be sent to reap havoc in the American lines by cutting phone and communication lines. Some of the Japanese troops would be in American uniform, English-speaking Japanese officers were assigned to break in on American radio traffic to call off artillery fire, to order retreats and to further confuse troops.

    Other infiltrators with demolition charges strapped on their chests or backs would attempt to blow up American tanks, artillery pieces and ammunition stores as they were unloaded ashore.

    Beyond the beaches were large artillery pieces situated to bring down a curtain of fire on the beach. Some of these large guns were mounted on railroad tracks running in and out of caves protected by concrete and steel.

    The battle for Japan would be won by what Simon Bolivar Buckner, a lieutenant general in the Confederate army during the Civil War, had called ?Prairie Dog Warfare.? This type of fighting was almost unknown to the ground troops in Europe and the Mediterranean. It was peculiar only to the soldiers and Marines who fought the Japanese on islands all over the Pacific - at Tarawa, Saipan, Iwo Jima and Okinawa.

    Prairie Dog Warfare was a battle for yards, feet and sometimes inches. It was a brutal, deadly and dangerous form of combat aimed at an underground, heavily fortified, non-retreating enemy.

    In the mountains behind the Japanese beaches were underground networks of caves, bunkers, command posts and hospitals connected by miles of tunnels with dozens of entrances and exits. Some of these complexes could hold up to 1,000 troops.

    In addition to the use of poison gas and bacteriological warfare (which the Japanese had experimented with), Japan mobilized its citizenry.

    Had Olympic come about, the Japanese civilian population, inflamed by a national slogan - One Hundred Million Will Die for the Emperor and Nation - was prepared to fight to the death.

    Twenty-eight million Japanese had become a part of the National Volunteer Combat Force. They were armed with ancient rifles, lunge mines, satchel charges, Molotov cocktails and one-shot black powder mortars. Others were armed with swords, long bows, axes and bamboo spears.

    The civilian units were to be used in nighttime attacks, hit and run maneuvers, delaying actions and massive suicide charges at the weaker American positions.

    At the early stage of the invasion, 1,000 Japanese and American soldiers would be dying every hour.

    The invasion of Japan never became a reality because on August 6, 1945, an atomic bomb was exploded over Hiroshima. Three days later, a second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. Within days, the war with Japan was at a close.

    Had these bombs not been dropped and had the invasion been launched as scheduled, combat casualties in Japan would have been at a minimum in the tens of thousands. Every foot of Japanese soil would have been paid for by Japanese and American lives.

    One can only guess at how many civilians would have committed suicide in their homes or in futile mass military attacks.

    In retrospect, the 1 million American men who where to be casualties of the invasion, were instead lucky enough to survive the war.

    Intelligence studies and military estimates made 50 years ago, and not latter-day speculation, clearly indicate that the battle for Japan might well have resulted in the biggest bloodbath in the history of modern warfare.

    Far worse would be what might have happened to Japan as a nation and as a culture. When the invasion came, it would have come after several months of fire bombing all of the remaining Japanese cities. The cost in human life that resulted from the two atomic blasts would be small in comparison to the total number of Japanese lives that would have been lost by this aerial devastation.

    With American forces locked in combat in the south of Japan, little could have prevented the Soviet Union from marching into the northern half of the Japanese home islands. Japan today could be divided much like Korea and Germany.

    The world was spared the cost of Operation Downfall, however, because Japan formally surrendered to the United Nations September 2, 1945, and World War II was over.

  • confusedjw
    confusedjw

    I've always wondered why we didn't drop one of the bomb on one of the little Military Target Islands to show what would happen rather than a city.

    Forget it, I'm just a pussy.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Simon:

    We didn't have it so he didn't drop it.

    Exactly. And that's the price of fish.

    For better or for worse, the US showed that it did have the bomb, and was willing and able to use that power.

    To say otherwise means that we must also say that the bombing of Coventry and London was also justified.

    Germany did what it could do, and the Brits suffered dearly for it, fought back, and with the help of the US, won that war. If Germany had won the war, then, of course, the political spin and history books would tend to portray them as justified...as in all such conflicts.

    This is the same as the discourse between Hannibal and Scipio.

    In every war, winner takes all.

    And now we face yet another repeat, with Iran and North Korea. They want what "we" have, and "we" don't want them to have it...the posturing for yet another series of US invasions, under the auspices of our self-righteous God-appointed "liberator of the world" Bush.

    Geez, all I want is to win the lottery, and move to a remote mountain cabin, and grow Dahlias with Kate.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    I don't think the USA was right,,in this matter I can never face someone who has lost most of their family and say that the USA was right with a striaght face

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    It would be nice if we all or atleast the majority of us were to be so appauled by war that leaders of countries would not resort to it in fear of it's citizens.

    And that's what I see happening in the future as man (evolves) and becomes even more aware.

  • godblesstheworld
    godblesstheworld

    nice thought, frankiespeakin. I wish for the same thing, which happens to be about 180 degrees from the Orwellian (1984) fog that seemingly blinds most people in this country Matt

  • Golf
    Golf

    There is NO money in Peace. So, who profits from wars? As H.S. Truman said, "The only thing new in this world is the history you don't know."


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  • Pole
    Pole
    It would be nice if we all or atleast the majority of us were to be so appauled by war that leaders of countries would not resort to it in fear of it's citizens.

    And that's what I see happening in the future as man (evolves) and becomes even more aware.



    frankie,

    LOL. So you think this will only be achievable through biological evolution and not a cultural one? If that's the case I think I share your view. Perhaps the only real advancement of the cultural evolution since WW2 on the global scale seems to boil down to exporting wars to third world countries and pretending we live in a safe and peaceful world.

    Sadly the argument of power will long remain the most convincing "negotiation strategy" in world politics. I only hope we'll see more economic wars rather than real ones in the near future.

    Pole

  • googlemagoogle
    googlemagoogle

    nuking hiroshima/nagasaki was just as right as flying the planes into the world trade center.

    btw: germany and japan were not "axis partners" as someone else stated before.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Pole,

    It is our instinctive nature at present that causes the problems. I think there will be a big change in awareness just like the one that caused us to move farther than the apes in understanding our world. I think that perhaps 30,000+ years ago we had a more trancendant state of awareness but lost it as the ego snuck up on us.

    Some say when man started makeing labels and naming everything that we lost our connection with the trancendant self and began to feel separate from everything outside our skin. This artificial separation must have increased our pain and suffering. But we find that many in the mystical practice were saying thousands of years ago that transformation of our mode of being was occuring back then and some see evidence of it excellerating in the present. It may happen in a macro evolution spurt which would be just in time if you ask me at the rate we are going in wiping out species every day.

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