a friend in need

by OldSoul 604 Replies latest members private

  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist
    AA ... what are saying ???? Your own quote "(4) Never suggest to anyone that they should not report an allegation of child abuse to the police "

    What have I been saying all along????

    That's why I said you should've gone to the site. It's a pretty tame letter. But why do you think reporting it the authorities isn't recommended here? Why do you have to wait for the victim to ask about the police, and only then mention that it's a personal decision? And most importantly of all, why are the elders encouraged to contact the Legal Department, rather than the local authorities? There, AFIN. I answered your question. Please answer mine: Why are the elders encouraged to contact the Legal Department, rather than the local authorities?

  • a friend in need
    a friend in need

    AA ... Your own quote at the top of this page (4) CHILD ABUSE IS A CRIME ...

    The org. has acknowledged all your points ... I can't see the problem ... they say to report it.

    outoftheborg . in your situation I would likely be in your shoes today. The only answer I see is that Jehovah will right all wrongs and you can depend on that.

  • RebelliousSpirit
    RebelliousSpirit
    And that's good. It's a good attitude. But can you see how it's the same view people take when they are part of "babylon the great"? They say, "Well, the church may or may not have been involved in something untoward, but *I'm* not involved." But the Watchtower says they ARE involved, that their membership makes them party to the sins of organization.

    So it's not enough to say "I'd call the police". You need to know if the organization you belong to would do so.

    Dave

    As always Dave, I love reading your insightful responses and I totally agree.

  • a friend in need
    a friend in need

    AA ... it isn't an either .. or .. situation. It is both . Contact the legal department ( I believe it was by letter) and the police. A phone call to the police will go through a lot faster than a letter to the legal dept. So the police are first to hear anyway.

    RS ... from what I've read, you had no intentions of following through anyway ... so try loading your guilt on me ... take responsiblity for yourself.

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    a friend in need

    Christian Congregation

    of Jehovah's Witnesses

    2528 Route 22 Patterson NY 12563-2237 Phone (845) 306 1100

    February 15, 2002

    TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN THE UNITED STATES

    Dear Brothers:

    It was a delight for us to meet with you at the Kingdom Ministry School , held in the - United States branch territory during November and December of 2001. This letter is to provide you with written direction on various matters that were considered at the school. Please arrange a special meeting of the body of elders to give consideration to the direction contained in this letter, as well as to the February 14, 2002 , letter to all congregations in the United States , regarding adjustments that were announced at the Kingdom Ministry School .

    Congregation Book Study Overseers : While the Congregation Service Committee is authorized .........

    Reminders Regarding the Han dling of Cases Involving Child Abuse: (1) As directed in the July 1, 1989 , letter to all bodies of elders, you should immediately call the Legal Department for direction if you learn of a case of child abuse. Child abuse would include sexual abuse, self-evident physical abuse, and extreme neglect involving a minor. (2) If the alleged victim is now an adult but was a minor at the time of the abuse, please call the Legal Department. (3) If you become aware of a past case of child abuse and you are not certain whether the elders involved at the time called the Legal Department for direction, please call the Legal Department for assistance as soon as possible. (4) Child abuse is a crime. Never suggest to anyone that they should not report an allegation of child abuse to the police or other authorities. If you are asked, make it clear that whether to report the matter to the authorities or not is a personal decision for each individual to make and that there are no congregation sanctions for either decision. That is, no elder will criticize anyone who reports such an allegation to the authorities.

    Judicial Announcements and Restrictions: When a judicial committee decides to reprove a repentant wrongdoer, they should consider very carefully whether to announce the reproof to the congregation. (ks91 123) While there are many situations in which it would be wise to announce the reproof to the congregation, two were specifically mentioned at the Kingdom Ministry School : (1) If the offense was adultery and the innocent mate has not yet forgiven the guilty one, a Scriptural divorce and remarriage(s) could still occur. It is therefore possible that the act of adultery will become public knowledge. As long as that potential exists, a decision to announce the judicial reproof would be appropriate. (2) If the offense involved the sexual molestation of a child, an announced reproof would serve to protect the congregation, indicating that not all is well with the repentant wrongdoer.

    Please note that no billion dallor corp would ever blatantly say "don't call the police" however, they don't say "call the police" either, they say call our lawyers!

    I've heard so many JW's rebuke the RC's regarding cover-ups and "moving priests" after molestation possibilities. I would like to know how you feel regarding the last piece I highlighted. If the repentant child molesting SOB should be announced to the congregation through 'indication that not all is well'.

    Having been a victim of this crime when I was ten, because I was put into temporary care of a family with a known molester, known to a small group of elders that is, I earnestly await you reply.

    Regs,

    Steve.

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    Outoftheorg,

    What a compelling post! It made me sad and it made me sick.

    Of course, some of those who read it will toss it off as "lies from a disgruntled (I hate that word) apostate", just to soothe their conscience.

    I wonder if AFIN will even address your experience.

    Annie

    edited to add:

    **outoftheborg . in your situation I would likely be in your shoes today. The only answer I see is that Jehovah will right all wrongs and you can depend on that.

    I see she already has. Same-old same-old. Sit back and wait on Jehovah, etc.

    Riiiiiiiiiight..........

  • a friend in need
    a friend in need

    Steve ... you highlight what suits you very well. Now post ALL of (4) ... While you are at it ... highlight it.

  • RebelliousSpirit
    RebelliousSpirit
    RS ... from what I've read, you had no intentions of following through anyway ... so try loading your guilt on me ... take responsiblity for yourself.

    There you go again judging that which you do not know or understand. You don't have a clue.

    If you read any of my threads, you would clearly see that I've had every intention, and only the best intentions. Which is more than I can say for you.

    I have no guilt. I make it a point to live my life without regret. And I always, always take responsiblity for all of my actions. In this case specifically, you simply serve to justify further the responsibility I have already taken in protecting myself and my family.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    Contact the legal department ( I believe it was by letter) and the police. A phone call to the police will go through a lot faster than a letter to the legal dept. So the police are first to hear anyway.

    I can't find the BOE letter right now but the current directions are to contact Legal first. Legal will ask what state this happened in. If the state does not require reporting then the elder is told to drop it. If the state does require reporting then the police informed.

    So no, the police are not always told. That is official WTS policy.

    Actually AFIN I think we agree on this point: elders should not be involved. This should be handled by the police and the courts.

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    A friend in need.

    No, you post it, and hightlight it, and show me why what happened in my case is justified.

    NO ELDER was charged with harboring a known criminal, which is what he was, known to them!

    Steve.

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