There is no evidence that the governing body of the WT/JW religion was chosen by Jehovah/Yahweh God
And there is plenty of evidence it wasn't.
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Vanderhoven7
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Disillusioned JW
Vanderhoven7 regarding your comment of "And there is plenty of evidence it wasn't" that agrees with my earlier comment of "There is evidence that governing body members of the WT/JW religion were not chosen by God." But you made a good contribution by including the word "plenty" in your comment.
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Fisherman
No hard evidence could convince the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. They didn’t want it.
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Disillusioned JW
Modern day non-Christian Jews have excellent reasons for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah. See https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/videos/six-reasons-why-jews-don-t-believe-in-jesus and https://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/2637/Q1/ . See also https://lessons.myjli.com/why/index.php/2016/11/21/why-arent-we-christians/ .
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Jeffro
Fisherman:
No hard evidence could convince the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. They didn’t want it.
No evidence exists that Jesus was the messiah. That aside, even the Watch Tower Society says the entirely arbitrary claim of being ‘anointed’ can be based on mental or emotional imbalance. Hardly a reliable qualification. 😂
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Vanderhoven7
Fisherman
Biblically speaking, of course, there was plenty of hard evidence that Jesus was the Messiah. Sodom would have repented had they seen the hard evidence that Jesus miracles provided.
What evidence should convince Bible believers that Rutherford et al were chosen in Brooklyn in 1919?
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waton
miracle wheat. resurrected patriarchs
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peacefulpete
No hard evidence could convince the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. They didn’t want it.
Or stated more precisely, they understood their own writings precluded the idea of vicarious human sacrifice buying the forgiveness for the sins of others. The "promised" Messiah was a real savior not an invisible secret one. Much like why most Christians today reject the WT's invisible spiritual return.
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Vanderhoven7
Try Isaiah 53
Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
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Vanderhoven7
God Leads a Pretty Sheltered Life
"At the end of time, imagine billions of people scattered on a great plain before God’s throne. Some of the groups near the front talk heatedly—not with cringing fear or shame, but with belligerence.
“How can God judge us? How can He know about suffering?” snaps an angry brunette. She pulls back a sleeve to reveal a tattooed number from a Nazi concentration camp. “We endured terror, beatings, torture, death!”
In another group, a black man lowers his collar to show an ugly rope burn and demands, “What about this? I was lynched for no crime, but just for being black! We suffered in slave ships, were taken from loved ones, and toiled till only death gave release.”
Across the plain, hundreds of groups rail against God for the evil and suffering He has permitted in His world. How lucky God is to live in heaven, where all is sweetness and light, where there is no weeping, fear, hunger, or hatred. What does God know about what man is forced to endure in this world? After all, God leads a pretty sheltered life.
Each group sends a leader to the center, chosen because he has suffered the most: A Jew from Germany, a black man from early America, an untouchable from India, an illegitimate from a conservative time, a victim from Hiroshima, and a Siberian slave. Their case is simple: Before God can be the Judge, He must endure what they have endured. God should be sentenced to live on earth—as a man!
But, since He is God, they set certain rules so His divine power cannot help Him.
- Let Him be born a Jew.
- Let the legitimacy of His birth be doubted, so that none would know His father.
- Let Him champion a cause so just, but so radical that it brings upon Him hate, condemnation, and fury of every major traditional and established religious authority.
- Let Him try to describe what no man has ever seen, heard, tasted, or smelled . . . let Him try to communicate God to men.
- Let Him be indicted on false charges, tried before a prejudiced jury, and convicted by a cowardly judge.
- Let Him see what it is to feel terribly alone, and be completely abandoned.
- Let Him be tortured and killed! Let Him die a humiliating, embarrassing death.
As each leader announces his portion of the sentence, loud murmurs of approval rise from the great throng. When the last has finished pronouncing sentence, there is a long silence. No one moves, for suddenly they know—God has already served His sentence."
Paul wrote, “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich” (2 Corinthians 8:9). “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name” (Philippians 2:5–9).