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The autopsy on Floyd showed he had Covid -19, add in the fact that he said he had a hard time breathing during the altercation, possibly this aided toward what physically happened to him ?
Also the autopsy showed only traces of fentanyl in his system .
The long enduring pressure against Floyd's neck by police officer Chauvin was the cause of him blacking out and eventually dying.
What you're saying is "if the media representations were accurate, then ..."
Which is why there is an actual trial, not a "trial by media" which the very phrase's existence is an admission that the media version is likely unfair and inaccurate.
As I said right at the start - if you are going off the media reports of the trial you are seeing a completely different trial than if you follow it yourself and you're likely going to be surprised with the outcome as a result.
I’m surprised it hadn’t been claimed that Floyd died from Covid
What you're saying is "if the media representations were accurate, then ..."
No I say that that from the actual clinical autopsy report.
The media shouldn't be completely trusted for accurate information.
I accept that and so should everyone else.
It's important to keep to the prevailing facts and separate oneself from any emotions that people can develop, and as one can see there has been a lot of emotions created out this unfortunate event .
@Rocketman123: He didn't have "traces" of fentanyl
Per the autopsy report he had a level of 11ng per ml in his blood that means 0.0011% of his blood was composed of pure Fentanyl. To give you an idea how much that is, 1% makes up ALL your white blood cells AND platelets (what JW's are allowed to take in a transfusion), so 1 platelet in 1000 platelets was not a platelet but Fentanyl - in other words, he had more Fentanyl than he had trace amounts of copper or most other metals except for iron that are naturally present in our body.
“If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an O.D. [Over Dose],” the notes say. “Deaths have been certified with levels of 3,” the notes indicate.
And not only did he have Fentanyl, he ALSO had 19ng of Methamphetamines and other drugs in his body, which alone would've gotten him a DUI/DWI, but has proven fatal in combination with alcohol or other drugs in some cases. Methamphetamines are less potent so it requires more of it to kill you, but then they found a number of half chewed and full meth/fentanyl pills on the floor of the police cruiser in which he was sitting, with his blood and DNA on it, so presumably he just ingested those and either vomited with blood or spit them out (although it's unlikely the police wouldn't have noticed his mouth was full).
Let's say we 'recycled' the blood in his body, extracted the Fentanyl again, you could have overdosed 3-4 "normal" healthy people with the result.
Anony Mous where did you get those specific toxicology reports that you listed ?
(11ng per ml)
The examiner, Dr. Andrew Baker, released the 20-page document late Wednesday evening with the permission of Floyd's family and their legal team.
After initially suggesting an underlying heart condition and potential intoxication combined with being held down by three police officers was behind his death, the medical examiner released a final ruling this week of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdural, restraint, and neck compression."
This basically means he went into cardiac arrest brought on by his restraint from the three officers – one of whom, Derek Chauvin, had his knee against Floyd's neck for almost 9 minutes.
Here's a look at some of the key points from the report:
– Floyd had blunt force bruises and abrasions to the forehead, face, and upper lip, as well as the shoulders, hands, elbows, and legs, and bruising of the wrists, consistent with his handcuffing.
– He had severe arteriosclerotic heart disease. He also had an enlarged heart and a history of hypertension.
– He tested positive for COVID-19, but this wasn't listed as a contributing factor to his death. Baker said the positive result "most likely reflects asymptomatic but persistent PCR positivity from previous infection," noting that the virus can persist for weeks after the onset and recovery from the disease.
– A toxicology report found traces of the synthetic opioid fentanyl, as well as emethamphetamine
There has been a least three medical doctors that made statements in court and none have said much about an overabundant amount of Fentenayl in his system and they all have reviewed the autopsy report as well the toxicology report.
Are you suggesting that all these doctors are incompetent and wrong ?
From what I read about fentanyl, one of the ways it kills you is that it stops your automatic responses.
So if you're drunk, and your head falls forward, the low-level firmware in your nervous system still kicks in and says "whoa, we need to move something!" so you don't die. But with fentanyl it can be more like "we think the whole breathing thing is overrated, let's not bother with it anymore"
haI quoted you from the autopsy report which you can find online.
I think you are quoting Dr. Isenschmidt, who was not the person that did the autopsy but a random expert witness. It is true that Isenschmidt said that others in a group of DUI have had higher levels of Fentanyl when tested and didn't die but on cross Isenschmidt admitted to the defense: the median level of fentanyl among another group (statistics on overdoses) was below Mr. Floyd’s. And even that evidence was poor, it showed something like 30% which is really the top of a bell curve - so there are people in the world that can take Fentanyl a lot better. That doesn't mean anything, statisticians can prove all sorts of things if you just limit yourself to the top 30% in the world, nobody needs to be hungry, everyone is rich and drives Ferrari's.
As with all drugs, it doesn't matter whether or not someone else can tolerate higher levels, there are many aspects that go into whether you can tolerate it. The fact he had 75% of his arteries blocked probably didn't help.
He also conceded to the defense attorney that although he does know that Floyd had taken a LOT of Fentanyl before he even left his house, he doesn't know whether Floyd took more Fentanyl right before or during his arrest (the pills in the back of the cruiser testify to that) because in his own words, blood tests don't show WHEN a drug was taken, it only shows up later.
Again, there is tons of testimony, only taking out of context what the prosecution wants to admit, isn't creating a fair perception of the trial. Off course the prosecution will only show what's the worse for the defendant, and the defense will only show what's best. In this case however, all the defense has to do is cast reasonable doubt.
Is it possible that he died because of the knee? Sure. But that's what's called a but-for causation. But-for he wouldn't have left his house that day, but-for the guy in front of him didn't stop at a traffic light, he would've been 5 minutes earlier, but-for a meteor fell out of the sky, it doesn't make his landlord or the guy driving the car or 'god' responsible for what happened. But-for the police hadn't arrested him, he may (or may not) have been alive and nobody would know his name, just another junky dead either now or in the near future. That doesn't mean the police were responsible, also doesn't mean the police weren't responsible or didn't contribute to his death. The EMT arrives and they do a "scoop-and-scoot" why - because they were afraid of the crowd. So if they hadn't done that and tried to resuccitate on the sidewalk, he could've still been alive? Maybe, maybe not? But for the crowd hadn't formed, this would've been a lot calmer? Maybe? Maybe not?
Again, what the prosecution has to do is prove that it is exclusively the fault (manslaughter) or his personal intention (murder) of Chauvin for Floyd to die. All the defense has to do is prove that a bunch of aspects went into his death and it probably wouldn't matter whether or not Chauvin put the knee on his back (as the neck/blood choke theory has since been disproven).
