Derek Chauvin - The Right to a Fair Trial

by Simon 158 Replies latest social current

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    He put a knee on his neck for eight minutes till he died of asphyxiation - but did he, though?

    Lauren Chen discusses this in her video. Note the photographic evidence that Chauvin had his knee on George Floyd's back at times, as well as his neck at times.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTkmYmKKI8k

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Could this have happen if Floyd was a white guy ? - yes, and it already has.

    Check out this little vid.

    @1min 15secs, there's a list of white people killed by cops. And @1min 50secs, there's the case of Tony Timpa. He was killed in the same manner as George Floyd.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8c5DGKZpEM

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    Anyone following the Derek Chauvin trial? - I'm starting to follow it now.

    I can't see Chauvin being found guilty of murder. The prosecution needs to establish in court that Chauvin intended to kill Floyd and then went ahead and did it. And the available evidence just doesn't support this.

    I think he may be convicted on grounds of manslaughter or criminal negligence or something.

    Then, there's gonna be huge amounts of violence and looting. Er, sorry, 'mostly peaceful protesting', lol.

    Here's an interesting video by Ben Shapiro. Apparently, a witness for the prosecution was so popular with Chauvin's defence team that his lawyers are gonna call him for the defence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQwtgt03XZA

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    And thirdly, should breaking the law, being an addict or passing off fake notes (because you are an addict) be deserving of a death sentence?! - no, but all those things may cause problems, even serious ones.

    If George Floyd had complied with police and got in the car, he might still be alive today.

    There's a lesson here for people - black, white & brown - to learn ...

    Live within the law. Comply with police officers.

    ^^^ Not hard, is it?

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000
    Secondly, an addict usually knows his limits

    Right, cause there are no addicts that die of an overdose.

  • Overrated
    Overrated

    Something went wrong. George was on drugs and the cop had his knee on him. I'm no expert. I'm not sure the cause or fault. Police had George for a reason. The courts will figure it out.

  • Simon
    Simon
    Secondly, an addict usually knows his limits. He would be unlikely to swallow an amount he knew would be lethal - arrested or not (it’s not worth dying over) - and having three times the “lethal” dose for a NON user is not necessarily going to have the same effect on an addict. Habituation raises the level at which a drug will cause harm to a person.

    You seem to imagine that illegal drugs are produced with as much care as legal drugs. If what you say were true we wouldn't see a huge spike in overdose deaths from fentanyl.

    We're not dealing with a smart person here.

    Here's another thought experiment:

    You can either have someone kneel on your shoulder for a few minutes.

    OR

    You can be given a dose of fentanyl 3x over the lethal limit.

    Which would you chose? Which one would be more likely to kill you?

    The fentanyl is reasonable doubt that he wasn't killed by the cop but was killed by the dealer who should be charged with murder.

    If George Floyd had complied with police and got in the car, he might still be alive today.

    I think he'd likely still be dead. If not that afternoon, some other.

    You don't win prizes making poor life choices.

  • Rocketman123
    Rocketman123

    There is little debate that Floyd was a low life scum bag of an individual, there is little doubt he was a big burly black man either.

    The point to this whole affair was did the acting police officers act properly in restraining him ?

    Did they go over using physical force in the procedure of restraining him ?

    Medical doctors have confirmed this was so, so did the chief of the police force to where this actual event took place.

    You have one cop placing pressure onto to Floyd's neck area and another onto his chest area which no doubt inhibited breathing and blood flow, the guy blacked out and they didn't take notice or take any kind of recovery action.

    The cops are at fault here .

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard
    Firstly, did Floyd swallow the fentanyl tablets when he was arrested to avoid being charged for possession?(common occurrence) If so, there was not enough time for the tablets to cause an overdose.....it would take at least 20 or 30 mins to begin to take effect.

    That is not accurate. It can start to take effect within minutes, and permeates skin or other body surfaces almost immediately. In other words, if you take the lethal dose (as pictured in one of the above posts), lay it on your skin, you're dead.

    Secondly, an addict usually knows his limits. He would be unlikely to swallow an amount he knew would be lethal - arrested or not (it’s not worth dying over) - and having three times the “lethal” dose for a NON user is not necessarily going to have the same effect on an addict. Habituation raises the level at which a drug will cause harm to a person.

    No, he wouldn't know his limit. But if you are following the trial, it turns out he didn't quite know what he was ingesting. His dealer was a witness for the *prosecution*, but ended up taking the 5th after Floyd's girlfriend took the stand and testified that they weren't buying fentanyl. They were getting other drugs like meth and heroin. But the dealer had been lacing the drugs with fentanyl. The dealer was called as a prosecution witness because he was at the scene. It became clear that he was the dealer, and he most likely pushed Floyd to take the drugs when the cops arrived. It was a drug deal that went bad. The dealer took the 5th, lawyered up, because it was clear that he was exposed for 3rd degree murder liability all of a sudden.

    All these things will be assessed by an expert witness in court*. The initial coroner will not necessarily be such an expert.

    Yeah, a whole bunch of crap is going down in the trial. It doesn't look good for the prosecution.

    And thirdly, should breaking the law, being an addict or passing off fake notes (because you are an addict) be deserving of a death sentence?!

    This is the same line of logic as the other deaths - "He was just resisting a little bit, why should that be a death sentence?!" .... "He was only charging the cops, he was unarmed, why should that be a death sentence?!".

    He was fighting the cops. He was high. He had a record of fighting. It is common for people to play possum until the cops let up, and then spring up and attack. Cops don't like to take chances.

  • Simon
    Simon
    Medical doctors have confirmed this was so, so did the chief of the police force to where this actual event took place

    You do realize that at a trial you will always have two sets of people, one saying that black is white and the other swearing that white is black.

    That's how the argumentative justice system works. The judge & jury's job is to assess who is likely telling the truth based on who's testimony fits the known facts.

    That they have a paid "expert" willing to say something is immaterial and the chief of police likely doesn't want the finger pointing at him if they were following the procedures he set.

    And thirdly, should breaking the law, being an addict or passing off fake notes (because you are an addict) be deserving of a death sentence?!

    Ah, this classic cherry.

    No one is ever saying that any particular crime, even just shop-lifting, is "deserving of a death sentence" just because someone ends up dying. A cop could chase someone and they die of a heart attack, it doesn't mean they were "executed for their crime".

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