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LMsA: FYI - Evans is not disfellowshipped - he is disassociated.
That's interesting. He has committed the worst crime that the GB can imagine. It's the crime they accuse people of when they want to remove them quickly and for good. And they're okay with Evans just disassociating himself? There has to be an ulterior motive for them not to DF him as an apostate. Maybe he really does have the goods on them...
I was one of the 12 but surprisingly not one of the 7, that is wise of him because I got so much on him and his corrupt family that can bury him 10 times over
He is not disfellowshipped yet? Ok I shouldn't be surprised but I got disfellowshipped VERY quickly after putting up this video. Christine, the sister I am interviewing got disfellowshipped just for mentioning the child abuse issues. She wasn't doing anything wrong. She is the kindest and sweetest of ladies.
A further note on the above video - her son has been disfellowshipped also. He was disfellowshipped after being on the phone to the elders for HOURS AND HOURS reasoning with them on the scriptures and urging them to behave in a Christian manner.
So it looks like this to me - if you believe in God and love Jesus Christ and find fault with Watchtower and express it, you are out.
But if you find fault with Watchtower, publish and fornicate - you stand a good chance of not being disfellowshipped.
And they don't say WHY you are being disfellowshipped, so the IMPLICATION is fornication. Its really disgusting when you have to endure this rubbish.
@ Anna Marina
I am sure that Christine’s experience is not unusual. For sure, in my own case and that of my wife, ‘correct procedure’ was not followed. Verbal haranguing was used on the part of elders and to this day, several decades later, I have not been advised personally of any “Announcement”.
Looking on the bright side, they have done us all a favour, we have learned the blessed freedom in Christ. Who on earth would want to forgo that and return to such a wicked environment that promotes harshness, not love, and abuse instead of “Come to me….and I will give you rest.”
Cheers,
Ozzie 🍷
100% agree Ozzie
So true, ozziepost. I was one of those who was determined to “stay faithful”, no matter what. But after years of unannounced (and unprovable) marking, one day I decided to look into “Ray Franz”. Three years ago, seeing that the Governing Body was just a group of unspiritual men allowed me to “wake up”. Christian freedom is now mine. It’s great to be here with you, ozziepost, Anna Marina, and all the others who have broken the shackles of Watchtower.
- 29 December 2013 - During a judicial committee for apostasy in Croatia Lloyd Evans hands in a disassociation letter for both himself and his wife. His letter simply stated that he resigned as a JW. His wife's was longer and evidently ambiguous - enough so that the elders felt they should have their own meeting with her.
There are some issues with this statement I don't go along.
One can handle a disassociation letter in at any time least of all during a JC. Actually one of the reason some do this is because they don't want to attend a JC. Yes undoubtedly the elders would try to speak to the person and in the end a JC could be formed often in absentia in the case of a disassociation letter. Generally disassociation letters must be kept simple and straight to the point. A letter that would list the reasons that one decided to leave the JWs wouldn't be accepted. That explains the elders' request for a revised letter from Dijana. In short no one can write a letter saying they sinned of porneia or celebrated Christmas so they decided to go. That kind of letter won't be accepted and a formal JC would still be the only possible way.
There is another massive problem with this though. No one can be disfellowshipped for apostasy the very same night of their JC. Apostasy is one of those sins that doesn't follow the usual rule. No elder would risk to lose an appeal because they decided to cut corners, speeding the business up a bit. It doesn't work like that. The person who is believed to be apostatising needs to be officially admonished at the very least 2 times and this BEFORE a JC can even be formed.
Apostasy trials often require more elders than normal ones. Often 5. I heard of a trial with 13 elders. I personally assisted one with 7. Generally elders prepare a lot of material before hand. It is really hard work. And they KNOW what sort of teachings the person objects (because of the 2 previous official warnings) No. Apostasy trials are not performed by the chance. They are meticulously prepared and dealt with the massive attention by the elders.
If during a JC for apostasy a person gets frustrated with the elders and declare that they had enough and they would write a letter of disassociation I would be really surprised that it would be accepted.
Did Lloyd Evans attend his own JC for apostasy? From what he writes about the answer is no he did not.
So the more I read the comments here, especially in the last 24 hours, the more I am being convinced that Lloyd is indeed not just controlled opposition, bit also a deliberate plant placed by the watchtower.
I am aware people can tell monumental lies to cover up their wrongdoing, but Lloyd goes beyond lies on quite a grand scale.
I am aware people can tell monumental lies to cover up their wrongdoing, but Lloyd goes beyond lies on quite a grand scale.Obviously being labelled as an "apostate" opens a lot of opportunities in terms of activism especially if you are after an income.
