It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  • LoveUniHateExams

    Lloyd Evans has confessed to using sex workers on multiple occasions.

    How can he possibly know for sure that they were consenting?

    Maybe they were forced into sex work ... seriously, how does Lloyd really know?

  • slimboyfat

    What’s striking to me about this guy, over many years, or right from the start actually, is his extreme sense of entitlement that people should treat him “fairly”, according to his own definition of what constitutes “fairness”, combined with an extreme lack of empathy for others, or any regard that they should be treated fairly.

    His self-righteous declaration that any judgement of his private life is “unfair” displays this view. On the one hand he cries “unfair” because people object to his behaviour, and at the same time he has no regard whatever for how his actions affect his family, sex workers, or other exJWs. The huge gulf between his own self-regard and his complete lack of regard for others almost makes you wonder if he is knowingly playing some sort of game where he simply pretends not to understand the implications of his actions. But, in truth, he genuinely does not seem to understand. It does seem to involve pathology, as Dr Sohom Das said: a combination of narcissism and psychopathy. He displays total lack of insight into his own behaviour and inability to learn from mistakes.

    The other characteristic that is hard to get to grips with from an outside perspective is the way he clings on to a lie well past the point where most people would give up. It’s similar to Elizabeth Holmes who kept insisting her fake blood tests worked well past the point where her deception had been fully exposed. Most people know when to give up and acknowledge they have been caught out. But psychopathic narcissists, it seems, just don’t have insight on when to give up on a lie. They just keep going and keep going and never stop no matter how tenuous or ridiculous the charade becomes.

  • Thisismein1972

    I agree with all you've said slimboyfat. There is definitely some sort of psychopathy going on here. I'm definitely shifting from what I thought was sociopathic the psychopathic narcissistic behavior. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing, but lacks any empathy or moral compass to even feel the slightest remorse to his actions.

    The very reason people get so frustrated (with good reason) regarding his actions who have normal human emotions such as empathy cannot comprehend how a person who cannot experience such emotional traits can be so callus. In his mind it is normal.

    The bad news is, those who display psychopathic narcissistic behaviors are not curable. In order to get to that point one needs to understand that they have a problem and reflect. They simply have no capability to reflect.

    Lloyd would be a perfect study subject on the nature verses nurture theory and how learned behavior can affect an individual in adulthood.

  • Vintage

    That was a really good post, Thisismein1972. This sentence is a key point: "The bad news is, those who display psychopathic narcissistic behaviors are not curable", and not recognizing this (that they aren't curable) can keep us trapped in a dance with a narcissist. I was in such a trap once. The narcissist will give small signs of improvement or enlightenment,... just enough for their victim (who loves them) to think that they may become a decent human being after all. But the next day, it starts all over again. By the next day, they have no recollection of having decided to change anything, or for any need to change anything. And on and on.

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  • Toblerone5

    This is a joke, for the snooper or snoopy? If your'e thinking about Suing me for my silly memes and videos...THIS

  • Queequeg

    Thisismein1972 and Vintage

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  • Simon

    Reading that Mayo Clinic page, it's like someone's done a summary of him:

    Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

    • Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
    • Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
    • Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
    • Exaggerate achievements and talents
    • Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
    • Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
    • Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
    • Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
    • Take advantage of others to get what they want
    • Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
    • Be envious of others and believe others envy them
    • Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
    • Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

    At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

    • Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
    • Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
    • React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
    • Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
    • Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
    • Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
    • Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation
  • NonCoinCollector

    Yes, to varying degrees, we have seen all of those behaviors the Mayo Clinic listed from Lloyd Evans.

    I have been thinking about something Lloyd wrote regarding his mother. He basically said that the criticism regarding his marriage, prostitutes and how he conducted his business this year has been worse on him than his mother dying of cancer. It would appear that he would much rather his mother be dead than endure criticism from his own actions. So much for the family man image.

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