Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast 538 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Hi Jammer,

    Are you saying that the temple was not fully destroyed so that nothing in Matthew 24 applies to Christ's generation?

    Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    So what generation do you believe Jesus was referring in Matthew 24:34?

    a. the 1914 generation exclusively?

    b. the 21st century generation exclusively?

    c. other?




  • scholar
    scholar

    Vanderhoven7

    In your view, is Matthew 24:34 referring to the 1914 generation or to his own generation or to both?

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    Both. for Jesus' words are directed to the generation of that day whether that generation could refer to the evil generation or His disciples living at that time and the context indicates that it has a future fulfilment during the time of the Parousia from 1914 with its application to the Church.

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    And are you praying that your flight will not occur in winter or on a Sabbath day?

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    No

    scholar JW


  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    None of the statements in Matthew 24:15-31 say, suggest or require any "mixture of the timing", and no part of it indicates anything about 1914. But feel free to specify the "direct statements" that you imagine support your position.

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    What Matthew 24: 15-31 describes for the 'reader with discernment' is that there is a transitory pericope from vss.23-28 then a shift of viewp[opint regarding the appearance and consequence of the coming of the Son of Man from vss. 29-31 as noted by reputable Bible Commentaries.

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    Thanks for demonstrating once again that you can't point to anything specific in the source material to support your (the Watch Tower Society's) position. Instead, you just regurgitate JW dogma.

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    The alleged 'regurgitate of JW dogma' accords very nicely to that of leading Bible commentaries so we are in a good position, don't you think?

    scholar JW


  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Hi scholar,

    I’ve been on the sidelines a bit lately but I couldn’t let this pass:

    The alleged 'regurgitate of JW dogma' accords very nicely to that of leading Bible commentaries so we are in a good position, don't you think?

    Surely those leading commentaries would be integral to teaching at Moore? In which case, why don’t we find JW eschatology being reflected in Sydney’s Anglican churches?

    It doesn’t “gel” does it?

    Cheers,

    Ozzie 🍷

  • scholar
    scholar

    ozziepost

    Surely those leading commentaries would be integral to teaching at Moore? In which case, why don’t we find JW eschatology being reflected in Sydney’s Anglican churches?

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    An excellent point so you should be consulting at the very least the Word Biblical Commentary series which you will easily find on the bookshelves in the Moore Theological Library. The particular volume is Matthew 14-28, Vol.33B, Donald A. Hagner,1995, Word Books, Thomas Nelson Publishers.

    The issue at hand is not whether JW Eschatology should be taught at Moore but why is it the case that no or little Eschatology is taught at Moore or in the Sydney Anglican Diocese?

    scholar JW

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    ‘scholar’:

    The alleged 'regurgitate of JW dogma' accords very nicely to that of leading Bible commentaries so we are in a good position, don't you think?

    JW eschatology is based on Adventism derived from Protestantism so it is entirely unremarkable that it shares some interpretations with those found in Protestant commentaries. It seems you don’t even understand the origin of your own preferred denomination. 🤦‍♂️ Via Russell and Rutherford, the Watch Tower Society took the nuttiest parts of Protestantism and somehow made it worse. 🤣 Not a good place at all.

    And you still can’t show any support for your view from the actual source material.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Scholar

    Van: And are you praying that your flight will not occur in winter or on a Sabbath day?

    Scholar: No

    Fisherman: Yes

    So Fisherman, are you being deceitful or are you telling the truth? I do not talk to people who are dishonest.. All liars will have their part in the lake of fire. We are not here to win debating points. We are here to find and share truth. So is the truth that you do or you don't pray that your flight wont be in winter or on a Sabbath Day, literally or symbolically. Don't make stuff up when you are talking to me.

    So Scholar...are you saying that Jesus was warning people in his generation exclusively to pray that their flight not be in winter or on a Sabbath Day?

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    Fisherman: Yes

    I already explained that Sabbath and winter are for everybody but the verse says ”YOUR flight” so axiomatically symbolic. You can do whatever you like pray or not pray but God's word tell us that we need to supplicate God.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Fisherman you are not making any sense.

    The context of the fleeing is not symbolic. Can you explain the so called symbolism employed in text below? What does Judaea represent? housetops, fields, clothes. with child, Sabbath day, winter. "Your flight" means that some in Christ's audience would experience the vengeance of God if they could not escape in time. Your organization acknowledges this.

    16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

    What are you saying? What are you praying?
  • Fisherman
    Fisherman
    So what generation do you believe Jesus was referring in Matthew 24:34?

    We know for sure generation applied to his time in terms of time because the end came in 70CE. We don’t know how the word generation applies to 1914. We believe it does apply because generation in that verse also encompasses the Parousia.

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