by KGB 233 Replies latest members adult
KGB:
No I don't think that science is perfectly accurate, that's why I'm agnostic. That's sort of what I was trying to say, I don't think we know enough to be able to say one way or another. As scientific methods are perfected, perhaps in the future we'll have more ways of finding evidence pro or con (emphasis on the word perhaps ). I am not discounting anyone's experiences by any means.
Teejay,
It *is* sorta ironic when you think about who it was that brought up the matter of ignorance. Here Nickey comes along to share an event from her life and another one (others) separated both in space and time speaks with authority as to what is and isn't true about that event. Reminds me of some people I used to hang out with.
Yeah, ironic, huh? Especially since it was Nickey who brought up ignorance first. If you don't understand the difference between calling someone ignorant and the term 'argument from ignorance', then I just don't know what to say.
And no, rem, Nickey's mathematical example wasn't /isn't a logical fallacy. I think it might help you if you look up the word "analogy." And while you have that dictionary out, look up the word "arrogant" while you're at it.
Um, yes it is a logical fallacy and I fully supported my assertion with a definition of the particular logical fallacy it was. Of course I know it was an analogy, but it was a bad analogy because it had no relationship with what was being discussed - thus (if I must spell this out for you) it was a logical fallacy.
rem
Can anyone point out where I even discussed Nickey's experience at all? If you guys would read instead of posting knee-jerk reactions you would see that my posts were pointed at Nickey's false reasoning about her opinion. I never even addressed her experience. Anyone who has implied otherwise needs to really think before spouting accusations.
It's pretty common that people who are ignorant in certain areas (everyone is ignorant in many areas) believe that people who are not so ignorant in those particular areas are 'arrogant'. Get over it. It just means that you could use a little education in that particular area. You have two choices: 1) Learn, or 2) Continue in your pity party.
Really, some of the posters on this discussion forum are pretty thin skinned! Not everything is an attack. Sheesh!
rem
Oh, I just love these games where everyone is supposed to "play nice" and let be whatever illogical and unsubstantiated opinion someone has. The fact of the matter is that belief in ghosts, spirits and other things that go "bump in the night" have been shown time and time again to be better explained in other ways. People have all sorts of strange beliefs that they believe with the utmost veracity. Might I suggest to those who have had these experiences (and their apologists) that you read Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things", James Randi's "Flim Flam!" as well as Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer."
I guess, in a way, I'm wasting my words since Nickey exemplifies the type of person that buys into this thing. She said a few times in this thread that "nothing" will change her opinion. Is this not the most close-minded position someone can take?
The eminent philosopher of the Scottish Enlightenment, David Hume, said many an interesting thing when it came to "miracles" (or ghosts, spirits, etc.). His argument was that it was a far lesser "miracle" to believe that the person seeing a "supernatural event" was mistaken, out of their mind, inebriated or flat-out lying than to believe it truly was a miracle. I agree.
Bradley
rem,
You always find a way into these very topics about ghosts. I have noticed that. Rambling and arguing to the thing dies. The word ignorance was brought up by you. More importantly, I'm not sitting here playing this "You started it first" game with you." It's childish. This isn't some courtroom. And you are nobody's judge. I don't have to argue my case. Does this look like Law & Order to you?
People wanna pick and pry at your every word. Just picking at a persons every word trying to find something negative. I can understand in debating and researching with the WTS. But doing it even with nearly every statement made HERE... it's ludicrous. I enjoy this topic and I won't stop reading or commenting about it or any other topic I find of interest.
stinkypantz,
I know what I said. But I'm not sitting here and try to explain myself to you or anyone else. I came here to share an experience. Not DEBATE everything to there's nothing but dry BONES on the plate. I don't feel like doin' that every single day on every single thing.
Excuse me it's mornin' over here. Alot of my words have been twisted. And that is jacked up.
logan,
Blah blah... whatever man.
Nickey,
You always find a way into these very topics about ghosts. I have noticed that.
You are correct. This topic interests me and I've done much research on it. I've also experienced what most people would call supernatural events in my lifetime. Are you insinuating that I have no right to post on these threads?
Rambling and arguing to the thing dies.
The only reason these discussions get side-tracked is because the 'believers' insist that all opinions are equal, when this is obviously false. All you have to do is admit that a physical explanation is possible - that would be open minded. The problem is that believers like yourself think you are open minded, though your words betray you.
The word ignorance was brought up by you.
The word 'argument from ignorance' was brought up by me. This has nothing to do with a person being ignorant. You are the one who thought I called you ignorant, thus you brought it up first. Get it now?
More importantly, I'm not sitting here playing this "You started it first" game with you." It's childish.
You are accusing yourself. I agree it is childish.
This isn't some courtroom. And you are nobody's judge. I don't have to argue my case. Does this look like Law & Order to you?
You are the one making accusations. So far you have not been able to support your assertions. I can understand why that would be an uncomfortable position for you.
rem
rem,
Let me be honest and get straight to the point.
We just have to agree to disagree.
Point Blank.
You've pretty much proven my point. *pick pick*
Nickey,
We just have to agree to disagree.
Now that I can respect.
rem
All you have to do is admit that a physical explanation is possible - that would be open minded. The problem is that believers like yourself think you are open minded, though your words betray you.
Oh geeze Rem if that's not hypocrisy at it's finest. At another discussion thread on this subject, someone gave their experience and you basically accused her of out and out lying or that they were simply crazy and that it never happened. Perhaps you, although obviously a sceptic, should also "admit that a supernatural explanation is possible - that would be open minded. The problem is, that sceptics like yourself think you are open minded, though your words betray you."
