Guantanomo Bay to become death camp!

by Abaddon 85 Replies latest social current

  • foreword

    Basic human rights?

    Homegrown terrorism fluorishes in the United States where crime rates are the highest in the world.

    Crime is common in American schools from elementary to university level. In one year American schools reported 1,200 assaults with deadly weapons, not to mention cases involving rape and sexual harassment. A country with 230 million, weapons has become a vast prison with over two million people behind bars. The cowboy culture is dominant and every day 125 people — including 20 children — are killed. American youth have committed 2,428 terrorist operations involving gangs and militia members who are active all over the country. To this are added 40 terrorist and extremist organizations. Terrorism is terrorism, whether domestic or foreign, and terrorists are united by their animosity toward the other. The culture of violence is the result of policies of hegemony. This was evident from what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Then again, we could give them all a kiss and a lollipop and send them to your home town with promises they'll behave.
    They better behave in the states or else the kids will take care of them....
  • searchfothetruth

    The US get around the Geneva convention by calling the prisoners 'Enemy Combatants' instead of Prisoners of War...the excuse?

    Because they weren't wearing uniforms!

    So what about 'special forces' troops who go into a country and mingle with the locals to gather intelligence, they'd find it a hard job in uniform!


  • funkyderek

    Search, you're forgetting that they're not prisoners-of-war but "battlefield detainees", a distinction which seems to have been invented so that the US can ignore the Geneva convention. To me "detainees" is a synonym of "prisoners" and "battlefield" makes sense only in the context of a war, but perhaps Yerusalyim will be able to shed some light on the subject.

    OK, search edited his post since I wrote this. Is that the only excuse, that they weren't wearing uniforms when they fought to defend their country from invaders?

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    I already posted about the US hypocrisy in Afghanistan,

  • Yerusalyim

    The Geneva Convention very specifically defines Prisoners of War. The battle field detainees don't meet that definition, not by a long shot. The detainees in Guantanemo are treated far better than US soldiers taken prisoner anywhere in the world. As to US battlefield detainees, we have some, like John Walker Lynd. He should be down there in Guantanemo. Bleeding heart liberals who want me to feel sorry for the idiots in Guantanemo are barking up the wrong tree.

  • funkyderek
    Bleeding heart liberals who want me to feel sorry for the idiots in Guantanemo are barking up the wrong tree.

    Yeru, I'm no "bleeding-heart liberal" and I don't expect you to feel sorry for anybody, but don't you think that people who have not been tried, much less convicted should be treated with a certain minimum level of dignity, regardless of how some hypothetical foreign powers might treat US prisoners?

  • Englishman

    Too many people who don't agree with all of America's draconian policies get labelled as "Bleeding heart liberals" IMHO.

    I've been pro the Iraq war, but no way will I go on rooting for the US if they start executing people without trial by jury. Come to that, if they start executing foreigners full stop. Full stop = Period BTW.


  • Yerusalyim

    Hypothectical foriegn powers? No, just take a look at how US POW's have been treated in every single war we've fought. The treatment of the killers in Guantanemo is far better. You're assumming these guys haven't been tried yet, truth is we don't know which of the 680 have been tried and which haven't. Even if they haven't yet been tried, you don't release them and let them run amuck until such a trial. Does the term "Pre-Trial confinement" mean anything to you? These weren't guys we just picked up off the street, these were folks actively engaged in trying to kill Americans. They are fed adequately, housed adequately, and allowed basic rights such as the practice of their religion, clean living areas, etc. What's the specific complaint about their treatment?

  • gitasatsangha

    I wasn't aware that the military tribunals against enemy combatants had started yet.

  • searchfothetruth

    Rights flouted at Guantanamo Bay

    Even officers at the US-run gulag are uneasy about the inmates' legal status

    Julian Borger in Guantanamo Bay
    Monday September 9, 2002
    The Guardian
    Nothing quite embodies America's transformation since September 11 as the orderly array of metal roofs on the cell blocks at Camp Delta gleaming in the Caribbean sun.

    A hundred yards from the sea, they look like roofs of some tropical factory with their barrel-shaped fans as neatly spaced as chimneys. But in reality they cover something that would have been hard to conceive of only a year ago - a US-run gulag for foreign captives held indefinitely without being charged or even formally identified.

    Camp Delta, a camp within a camp at the US military base in Guantanamo Bay, is a measure of how much America has changed. Yet because it is perched on a remote corner of Cuba, out of bounds to all but a few thousand troops and specially vetted service workers, the mutation has gone mostly unseen by the American people.

    Inside, there are 598 detainees from the "war on terror" from 38 countries. They include seven British inmates, swept up in the clash of civilisations that erupted last October when the US and its allies took on the Taliban.

    The US argues that since the detainees were not part of any regular army and did not observe "the laws and customs of war" they are "enemy combatants" rather than prisoners of war, implying that they do not have all the rights assigned to POWs under the Geneva conventions.

    Washington, however, insists that they are being treated just as well. Critics, who include Amnesty International and the UN, say the detainees' status can only be determined by an independent tribunal, not the Pentagon. They add that POWs are supposed to be released when hostilities end. In the war on terror, that may never happen.

    Camp Delta is smarter and better built than its improvised predecessor, Camp X-Ray, which was made-up of cages in a heat-trap valley, with no ventilation. The new complex, which has cost more than $30m for just over 600 cells, benefits from sea breezes and fans. Conditions have improved since images of hooded, shackled prisoners in metal cages triggered international concern. The International Committee of the Red Cross is allowed daily access to the camp and the prisoners, and has declared itself satisfied with the cooperation of the military authorities.

    In recent months, camp guards report, there have been 30 incidents of inmates trying to harm themselves, and four of those have been classified as suicide attempts.

    Interrogation sessions take place in a cell block inside the compound, and are carried out by Joint Task Force 170, a collection of CIA, FBI and military intelligence officers assembled to pump the inmates for information.

    No one at the camp would comment on what was being gleaned from the questioning, but leaks in Washington have suggested there are no inmates of any importance from the al-Qaida hierarchy here, and that little usable intelligence is emerging.

    Brigadier-General Rick Baccus, the camp commander, stresses that inmates are being treated decently. But as the months go by, the conditions at Camp Delta are increasingly besides the point, as attention focuses on Washington's persistence in describing the inmates as enemy combatants, and its insistence that Guantanamo Bay, an entirely US-run establishment, is outside the jurisdiction of US courts.

    Gen Baccus suggests that these are questions for President Bush. "Clearly there's some concern in terms of whether or not, and how, any people might be classified in terms of enemy combatant." Coming from the chief jailer, it reflects a growing unease among the officers here that they are policing a prison camp that feels distinctly un-American.

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