Anti-American? Do people only want their own opinions allowed?

by Simon 135 Replies latest members adult

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  tyydyy

  Abaddon,

  You said:

  All you complain about so far is delivery.

  You're right. That's what I said. Were you expecting a prize because you actually understood plain english? You are definitely entitled to your opinion and I have my opinion that your opinions appear as though they are coming from a bleeding heart liberal. Your political views were not the subject of my post although they were mentioned. If you read the post you would have seen this.

  but your delivery is about as smooth as an ex-lax and jalapeno sandwich.

  You made my point for me. What's funny is that you actually think you are intelligent. You ask people for references when you don't produce them yourself. Are you thinking of going back to the Witnesses 'cause you hung on to the same debating tactics?

  TimB
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  Yerusalyim

  Realist,

  If you think the average american soldier is uninformed you need to go educate yourself a bit. The American soldier really is amongst America's best. They take the time to inform themselves MUCH MORE SO than the average American. Much more so than the protestors I've talked to as well. One protestor told me she was proteseting because American Soldiers didn't all have protection against the possible use of chemical weapons. She was unaware that all our soldiers have a protective mask and chemical protective suit, and refused to believe me when I assured her they did have the needed equipment. On she went OBLIVIOUS! The US soldier is generally a better citizen too, more likely to vote, very generous, and generally pretty intelligent. We are indeed a cross section of the American demographic, and quite well informed. YOU ELITIST PUKE!
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  Trauma_Hound

  The US soldier is generally a better citizen too, more likely to vote, very generous, and generally pretty intelligent.

  Haha, I can't help laughing at this, considering that Spousal Abuse is highest among people in the military.

  Yep that's why ya get paid the big bucks, because of your intelligence.
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  rmayer32

  Yep that's why ya get paid the big bucks, because of your intelligence.

  Just remember who it is that allows you to run off at the mouth TH. It is the soldier, plain and simple.

  -Rick
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  Simon

  One protestor told me she was proteseting because American Soldiers didn't all have protection against the possible use of chemical weapons. She was unaware that all our soldiers have a protective mask and chemical protective suit, and refused to believe me when I assured her they did have the needed equipment.

  I do find it strange that finding that the Iraqi's have Chemical weapon suits is claimed to be a "smoking gun" that proves they have chemical weapons and intend to use them. The fact that our forces have them proves what though? I can see good reason for the Iraqi's to think that we have chemical weapons ... we do!
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  Realist

  yeru,

  lol....thas was one of the most touching posts ever!

  The US soldier is generally a better citizen too, more likely to vote, very generous, and generally pretty intelligent.

  of course of course who would ever dare to question that?

  YOU ELITIST PUKE!

  oh my...
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  Abaddon

  tyydyy, or should I say Maaaaaster... you don't like/understand irony/sarcasm/facetiousness do you? Good.

  So I was wrong? You DO think it is okay to post lies and distortions? I said previously I didn't think you would think that was okay.

  I have to asume I was wrong about you, as you've, again, not addressed one point. You are at least honest enough to make it clear in your last post that you're motives in attacking me are partially political. Which kind of validates my observation that if someone had attacked a piece of Saddamist propoganda that had been posted, you wouldn't have objected. As you don't respond to that comment, I have to assume I'm right regarding that too. Don't you think double standards stink? Obviously not.

  You say I don't produce references... I never said (for example) that Saddam Hussain killed thousands of his own citizens every day. I pointed out this is a lie when ThiChi said it. It's HIS assertion (or an assertion in something he C&P'd), and it is down to him or someone who wants to to back that statement up, which of course is impossible as it's a gross propogandic lie.

  Quite why it is neccesary to distort the facts I don't know - and the above is only one example from that post. Saddam is an evil (and now apparently ex-) dictator who has killed thousands of his citizens... but "every day" is just dragging it to the level of the gutter press... the minute you have to lie or exaggerate to make a point, you've lost. Didn't anyone tell you this?

  Similary with regard to me saying some statements in ThiChi's post are straw man attacks, I didn't make the attacks. I have no knowledge of groups that characterise the opinions he said that 'they' had. You cannot count individual's opinions - if you do I can hang the right high with opinions from individuals on the right that would make the biggest Bush backers eyes water with discomfort. Thus, it is down to ThiChi, or someone who wants to, to prove that those statements ARE NOT straw man attacks. If they don't have the evidence to back them up, they shouldn't make them.

  This procedure of people who make statements having to defend them when challanged is not something I'm making up. If I say I have a green dragon in my garden, and you say I don't, it is not down to you to prove I don't have a green gragon in my garden, but for me to prove that I do. It is a pretty standard principle in discussions etc. - I am surprised you didn't know it. Maaaaster.

  So tyydyy, answer the points. I think you only really objected to the way I talk to ThiChi because you don't agree with my politics - or more accurately, you think you don't agree with my politics, as you don't even know what my politics are. If you thought ThiChi was posting factual statements, you would have defended the statements rather than attacking me. Dress up your attack on your perception of my political affiliation how you like, that's what it is, as your own comments bear out.

  I think you realise you're now in a sitaution where you cannot defend ThiChi's comments, and are thus trying to maintain credibility by continuing to attack me for giving someone a hard time for posting lies and distortions. Maybe next time before you get all self-rightous about the way I react to someone you should look in detail at what I am reacting TO. You might find I am being quite reasonable, albeit blunt.

  I thought this was a DISCUSSION board, not an AGREEMENT board, or a god-damn POPULARITY CONTEST board. If you think after getting out of a cult I won't stand up vociferously to deceit (having had to eat it whenever it was served up as a Dub), then you think wrong Maaaaaaaaaaaster. And all ThiCHi's post was was deceit - if you could prove otherwise you would have.

  What's funny is that you actually think you are intelligent

  This is one of the funniest statements people can make in an arguement... the statement in it's entirity is "What's funny is that you actually think you are intelligent, I can see you're not as I'm smarter than you!" If the person making the statement didn't believe the part of the statement after the comma (that never gets admitted to), they'd never make the first half. Teach me of your skills of logic and arguementation Maaaaaster so I my shoot myself in my foot like you.

  It is funny that whilst evading addressing the issues I raised, showing what seem to be double standards and having a lack of any degree of textual nalysis of what you're defending you have the gall to say "Are you thinking of going back to the Witnesses 'cause you hung on to the same debating tactics?".

  After mine picking own of the eye your mote of pick out before the out.
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  dubla

  I do find it strange that finding that the Iraqi's have Chemical weapon suits is claimed to be a "smoking gun" that proves they have chemical weapons and intend to use them. The fact that our forces have them proves what though? I can see good reason for the Iraqi's to think that we have chemical weapons ... we do!

  its not a "smoking gun", and no, it doesnt "prove" they have anything. its just curious, because the iraqi government (the one who trains the iraqi troops and prepared them for this war) knows full well that the u.s. would have no reason whatsoever to use chemical weapons in iraq. t h suggested that maybe they are wearing them in case we use tear gas on them...lol, i suppose thats a possibility. i think you know why our forces have the chem suits.....and no, obviously that fact proves nothing save the fact that we know saddam has used chem weapons in the not so distant past.

  aa
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  tyydyy

  Abaddon,

  Listen please. I don't even care what your opinion is or what Thi Chi's opinion is. I was not involved in the discussion. All I said was your method of delivery is one of the reasons people go away and don't come back. If you can't carry on an intelligent debate without name calling then why are you here? You should be back in kindergarten.

  Talk about screwed up perception. I was not defending ThiChi or attacking you. Simply making a point about your manners. Funny thing is. I don't have to rant for a page and a half to make a point either. I actually agreed with your reasons for disagreeing with ThiChi. Hmmmmm Guess that one caught you off guard. We have this thing called society where there are acceptable ways of dealing with other human beings. You were not being "blunt". You were trying to be abusive and condescending. Try something intelligent for a change.

  TimB
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  Trauma_Hound

  Just remember who it is that allows you to run off at the mouth TH. It is the soldier, plain and simple.

  -Rick

  Umm, it's called the Constitution, and soldiers over in Iraq, are not defending the constitution, they are in fact, helping to trample it, by following a leader, that insistes on taking some of our freedoms away. Through the US Patriot Act, and Patriot Act II.