Anti-American? Do people only want their own opinions allowed?

by Simon 135 Replies latest members adult

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  Abaddon

  tyydyy: I don't get it. You still do what you accuse me of doing, and your previous comments about your perception of my liberalism don't sit with what you say your motivations were in your last post. Despite that, for the sake of arguement, I'll assume your last post is a clear explaination of your intent and I was barking up the wrong tree.

  I also don't get why spreading lies is less bad than being rude (as you obviously consider ridicule et. al. to be as rude as swearing, which I don't neccesarily agree with) to someone who is spreading lies, and that is something you've not addressed, but I guess I have my opinion about that and you have yours.

  All the best
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  tyydyy

  Abaddon,

  I also don't get why spreading lies is less bad than being rude (as you obviously consider ridicule et. al. to be as rude as swearing, which I don't neccesarily agree with) to someone who is spreading lies, and that is something you've not addressed, but I guess I have my opinion about that and you have yours.

  First of all, you said someone was spreading lies. Maybe that's true but maybe they are just uninformed. Maybe they got their information from an unreliable source. Maybe they weren't trying to deceive you and ruin your life. Maybe you could have pointed out the errors without the inflamitory insults. Yes, I illustrated the same thing in my posts to you and if you look at the rest of my posts, even on heated subjects you'll see that it is not my practice to insult. I did it to illustrate that you can't have an intelligent debate when you're calling someone names. I think you got the point. There is almost never a reason to be rude. Only excuses.

  TimB
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  witchywoman

  I finally made it in. Finally found the time.

  So it appears that someone has hacked a private message board, got in and sent Simon a copy and paste job. Who cares? Obviously you do Simon. You need to take a chill pill. Oh, that is ghetto slang for , get over it. You worry about what someone has said just like a woman would. Who cares? Do you care what others on this site think about you posting something from a private board? Not enough obviously.

  You are sounding exactly like our old forum owners, Wizzard and Phonics. Over on JWL, or JW live, they like you did not want anyone to dissagree with them. Pffft, who cares? Wonder where that site went? Wonder where they went? Your sentiments and theirs are so much alike. Strange thing, Phonics only invited people to her new *baby* from JWO, never JWD, wonder why? Does it really take a rocket scientist to figure it out? They did not mind if others were invited from JWD , but they themselves would not do it. I have lost much sleep over that too.

  Now this, from the famous Trauma Hound, even considered a decent poster. Now that just makes me want to barf. Not ghetto languange for puke, slang for throw-up. You do not have the sense enough to know when you are not wanted. Most people would leave if not welcome, Trauma just throws a tantrum, makes a nuisance of himself, spills hatred and abusive language towards anyone that does not agree. Making fun of Yizo's income is just one example on this thread. The man is homeless. As far as I know no one made fun of you while you were out of work.

  Why have you not acknowledged Lew's claim about sending me harrassing IM's? You have admitted it to everyone on JWO. Here they are:

  trauma_hound98 (3/17/03 1:18:23 AM): Tell your fucking boyfriend, if he ever is in my face again, I"m going to kick it in.

  A threat? Yes.

  trauma_hound98 (3/18/03 2:42:19 AM): You suck!

  Now how would you know that?

  trauma_hound98 (3/18/03 2:52:51 AM): Tell the little bitch, if he want to talk to me, then get his ass on here.

  So you think that Lew is a bitch? He is very much a man honey, do you need to know the size of his manhood for proof?

  It has come to my attention that you have broken one of Washington States' laws:

  RCW 9A.46.020
  Definition -- Penalties.

  (1) A person is guilty of harassment if:

  (a)Without lawful authority, the person knowingly threatens:

  (i) To cause bodily injury immediately or in the future to the person threatened or to any other person:

  There is nothing more to say about it. It has been taken care of.

  As for Lew, I have spent time with him, and he is a wonderful man. He is gentle and kind. He practices chivalry and knows how to treat a woman. He is unassuming and quiet. He has helped one of the posters here an abuse survivor to go to the SilentsLambs march last September with his own money. I also witnessed him trying to help someone that was severly depressed, staying up to 3:00 am to try to help this person to feel better. Several times. I know he has a heart the size of Texas, and he has mine.

  Anyone that has a problem with Lew, has a problem. As I have told Wizzard in chat, the reason I don't give my opinions is because I don't really care what people think about them, they are mine, and they only matter to me. Lew is not like me in this respect and will let any and all know how strong his convictions are. I admire him for it. The man has been to hell and back several times in his lifetime. I want for him to be able to find some happiness and calm in the love I give him. Lew is a great man.

  Anyone that has anything to say about me, I really don't care. Deletion? Pfft. Who cares.

  witchywoman
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  Trauma_Hound

  LOL WW, your so delusional, that you have to attribute something to me, I didn't even do, if anything, I defended Yizu.

  Oh you might want to mention, when you tried to get me to hot chat you on IM.
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  Simon

  Witchywoman / "Mrs" Dakota Red

  So it appears that someone has hacked a private message board, got in and sent Simon a copy and paste job. Who cares? Obviously you do Simon. You need to take a chill pill. Oh, that is ghetto slang for , get over it. You worry about what someone has said just like a woman would. Who cares? Do you care what others on this site think about you posting something from a private board? Not enough obviously.

  No, I got this from a page that was publicly accessible. It was only locked after I quoted it.

  You are sounding exactly like our old forum owners, Wizzard and Phonics. Over on JWL, or JW live, they like you did not want anyone to dissagree with them. Pffft, who cares? Wonder where that site went? Wonder where they went? Your sentiments and theirs are so much alike. Strange thing, Phonics only invited people to her new *baby* from JWO, never JWD, wonder why? Does it really take a rocket scientist to figure it out? They did not mind if others were invited from JWD , but they themselves would not do it. I have lost much sleep over that too.

  Many people disagree with me and I respect their opinion. This is not about disagreeing over an opinion but the inability by some to accept that other people are allowed an opinion.

  As for any disagreement that Lew and Trauma Hound have ... that is up to them. I have seen some pretty aweful and threatening things that DR has posted so it is not all one-sided as you try to make out.

  As for Lew, I have spent time with him, and he is a wonderful man. He is gentle and kind. He practices chivalry and knows how to treat a woman. He is unassuming and quiet.

  Maybe he liked to let off steam online then 'cause that is not how he came across. Anyway, this was not about "what he's like as a person" elsewhere. Simply the reason he was deactivated from this forum.

  Anyone that has a problem with Lew, has a problem.

  Ah ... he is right about everything then and no one should ever disagree? Get real

  Anyone that has anything to say about me, I really don't care. Deletion? Pfft. Who cares.

  The choice of whether anyone gets deactivated is up to them and what they do. Anyone trying to cause trouble for the sole purpose of "making a point" really shows themselves up IMHO. It's up to you.
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  Simon

  the iraqi government ... knows full well that the u.s. would have no reason whatsoever to use chemical weapons in iraq.

  Well, I would guess that from their point of view they may think:

  • The Americans sold us the chemical weapons in the first place. They must have them themselves (and they do, having not destroyed their own stockpiles)
  • The Americans knew all about us using them last time during the Iranian war and allegedly helped with the targetting and so on.

  Given this, it does not sound too unreasonable to me to suppose that the Iraqi's did fear a threat of chemical attack. The USA were apparently considering the use of other WoMD such as tactical nuclear weapons (widely reported osme time ago) so why not chemical?

  The key point is: having a suit is not proof of having and using the weapons. If it was then the USA and UK are equally guilty.
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  witchywoman

  Oh you might want to mention, when you tried to get me to hot chat you on IM.

  Sure, lets do that. Are you feigning innocence, I"m not. I could have added you to my list of men. You did not make the grade. You could have been in my little black book too. No secret, since you like to expose. I have not hidden it. Yes, there were several.

  No, I got this from a page that was publicly accessible. It was only locked after I quoted it.

  Ohhhh, thanks for clearing that up for me. I could not get into animals site until I was given an OK. His rules for his forum must have changed, I will ask him.

  As for any disagreement that Lew and Trauma Hound have ... that is up to them. I have seen some pretty aweful and threatening things that DR has posted so it is not all one-sided as you try to make out.

  I agree, and did it is between the two of them. Lew? Aweful and threatening? I am not the one making this little drama one sided. What Charlie has sent me, I see as a physical threat, and do consider it such. Lew is not worried. I, on the other hand take it very seriously. It has been dealt with.

  Respected opinions are left open, in the open for all to see. These are not Lews opinions, they are his convictions. Opinions can be swayed, convictions go much deeper. Lew has never had a problem with others expressing opinions. He does not like the anti-bush crowd masquerading as anti-war protesters. Personally I don't know why he would come here and argue with people that would support terrorism. Now, remember, that is my opinion. Respected? We shall see.

  Ah ... he is right about everything then and no one should ever disagree? Get real

  I am real. Anyone that has a problem with Lew, has a problem. The posters that *find* his threads, follow him. As well *he* would inject his strong feelings in their threads. As a matter of fact everyone concerned was getting ticked off, but Lew was the one that felt the brunt of it. His convictions are not popular to this site. Therefore he has to go. Period.

  The choice of whether anyone gets deactivated is up to them and what they do. Anyone trying to cause trouble for the sole purpose of "making a point" really shows themselves up IMHO. It's up to you.

  Would that be me? Am I trying to "make a point?" I don't think so. Me? Trouble maker? I have never considered myself that. Why would you say that? You get upset when someone talks ugly to Angrahard, that is understandable. She too will come to your defense. Understandable.

  It is not up to me. Even I know that. Do as you wish, I am not trying to show myself up. If you think so it is your opinion, and everyone has the right to their opinion.

  witchywoman
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  Simon

  First off, I think making physical threats to others over the Internet is depicable and spiteful: I've had lots but I remember how upsetting it can be the first time. I wouldn't take things too seriously or worry unduly.

  I can see where some of the confusion can arise:

  Lew has never had a problem with others expressing opinions. He does not like the anti-bush crowd masquerading as anti-war protesters. Personally I don't know why he would come here and argue with people that would support terrorism. Now, remember, that is my opinion. Respected? We shall see.

  The problem I see is that turning this around and saying that "anyone who is anti-war is really just anti bush" is quite insulting and demeaning to someon who feels passionately about the war and would get people's backs up. They may not care a jot for bush one way or the other but simply in his capacity as 'the guy who makes the decision on the war' ... it is the war that they object to.

  Also, being against the war does not mean that people support terrorism. I have heard people who's relatives died in Sept 11 express their objections to the war and I would not for a minute imagine that they support terrorism.

  I think it shows how people's opinions can be taken wrongly and not fully understood. Thanks for making things clearer.
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  Mulan

  Yay, Simon. Well said.

  I am against the war, can't stand Bush, but I support the troops. As long as they are in Iraq, get the job done and get home!! I don't think I am alone in that mindset either.

  And, hey............while we're at it............the Brits are doing a pretty darned good job over there too, don't you think? I think Tony Blair is awesome. But Bush needs lessons in something.......... make that everything. I just want to smack him everytime he opens his mouth.

  Watch me get attacked for that, now.
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  WildHorses

  Mulan, you won't get that slap from me. I dislike Bush also. Now that the war has started I am behind it. I only wish they would stop all the looting that is taking place over there and make sure to protect the few hospitals left, that have not been looted.

  I also hope that once this is all over, they do as they say and turn it over to the Iraqi people. But that they help rebuild it as they should. We can't destroy a place and leave it for them to rebuild.

  Iraq is a muslim country and I feel it should remain as such until the Iraqis themself feel they wish a change.