Mass disassociation pact...

by freemindfade 312 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • freemindfade
  • EdenOne

    What happened to "8/8 Dissociate"?

    Also, what does 8/8 represent besides a catchy phrase? Also, we must remember, what works in english doesn't work in other languages. Doesn't work in a few that I can think of. It must be as universal as possible and should actually MEAN something.

    (Sorry, freemindfade, not trying to be difficult here, just contributing to the idea pool by playing the devil's advocate)


  • freemindfade
    no no its ok, I think we want to save the disassociate bit for a little bit. I think we should get the date viral at first, that something big in exjw land is brewing and planned for this date. Then when we get closer or just when we get the details straight, we include the disassociate. Lets think about it. If it was 11/25 we could bump it to this year, but that is also very close.
  • EdenOne

    Cappy, a suggestion, since you're conceptualizing the site:

    Why not make a simple questionnaire in the beginning and then that information would be automatically incorporated into the letter, that could then be printed?

    For example:

    a) Are you a baptized Jehovah's Witness? Y/N

    if a) = Yes

    b) How many years have passed since you were first baptized as a Jehovah's Witness?

    c) Are you still an active Jehovah's Witness? Y/N

    d) Have you currently got any special service privileges within the congregation or the Organization? Y/N

    e) On what country do you live in? (Pick from a list of countries)

    f) Do you want to remain anonymous when you send this letter? Y/N

    if f) = yes

    g) You must choose an alias to use as signature. _______________________


    In the end, one can print the letter directly from the website, even with a choice of different letter types for variety. And it can be done in multiple languages.


  • Petraglyph

    8/8 works worldwide - someone (not me) already mentioned that.

    11/25 is meaningless outside America as most of the world uses date before month. Only Belize, Federated States of Micronesia, and United States put the month first.

  • freemindfade

    Lets work on getting the concept written out complete to that when we convey it to others they know EXACTLY whats going on and what to do. We can keep coming with all these ideas of course. But lets get it nice and clear to.

    I'd like to make a concise list of JW fails

    Historical Dishonesty

    Permissive Policies To Pedophiles

    Incorrect Doctrine

    Religious Hate Practices and Intolerance

    They should cover broad areas without to many specifics

  • DT
    Also, what does 8/8 represent besides a catchy phrase?

    That's a good question. There would be value in using a date with some special significance. However, it's best to not underestimate the value of a catchy phrase, especially if we want this to go viral.

    The number eight could have some symbolic significance that is useful. The number eight is very similar to the fish symbol that used to be persecuted Christians to recognise each other. Awake Jehovah's Witnesses are in a similar position.

    The number eight turned on its side is the symbol for infinity. It could well represent our unlimited potential. In terms of JW numerology, it is one more than their beloved seven, rather than one less, a number that they would prefer to assign to apostates.

    I'm just brainstorming some ideas. I don't have any problems honoring other dates that are important to ex-jws.
  • Petraglyph
    freemindfade: I think we want to save the disassociate bit for a little bit. I think we should get the date viral at first, that something big in exjw land is brewing and planned for this date
    I like your thinking. In the months before Ghostbusters was released they ran a teaser campaign 'Coming soon to save the world' with an image and nothing more than that. People were wondering what it was all about.Piques curiosity.
  • cappytan
    Also, 8/8 works for those of our fellow apostates across the pond... If we chose August 9th, then in the US it'd be 8/9 and over there it'd be 9/ would be confusing.
  • freemindfade

    The campaign, to be clear Please read carefully:

    On the 8th of August 2016 active Jehovah’s witnesses wanting to cut ties with the organization will send in their individual letters of disassociation.

    Simultaneously personal disassociation letters will be sent by active Jehovah’s witnesses who despite wanting to cut ties with the religion, are bound by the damaging effects it will cause to their life. These individuals have already suffered much for any stance they have currently taken up to the point of formal disassociation. Their letter will express their individual conviction that they are no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses while lacking specific information on their identify, thus allowing them to show their dissent while not being punished by the organization.

    Also former members who have disassociated themselves previously, or were disfellowshipped by the group for “cause”, can write their letter as a reaffirmation of their choice, and a ‘thank you’ for being removed from the dangerous cult.

    Those never baptized as a Jehovah’s Witness, but affected by them because of being raised as, or in any other way affiliated with them, can write a letter also expressing their support of the campaign and their disdain for the religious hate and the actions of the religion.


    All letters will be dated 8-8-16, all letters must be dated the same day.

    4 Letter Types:

    1. Actual DA letter (for those ready to go)

    2. Anonymous DA Letter (for those needing to stay in on paper, but wanting to take a test run)

    3. Renew DA letter (for those completely out who want to add to the revolution)

    4. Those raised or influenced by association who want to contribute. Letter pledging their assistance to any wanting to leave


    Return address should be local hall

    Send address should be to local kingdom hall, and CC HQ and single source for media outlet. (media outlet TBD)

    There should be a certain amount of uniformity to the message, but not too much so there is variety, there should be

    Standard section stating necessary language

    We should come up with a simple bullet point all encompassing list about why we leave. Ie doctrinal lies, historical dishonesty, child abuse cover-ups, etc.

    Personal section to give you voice to the DA, this can be anything and everything you want to say, get it all out.

    Any legal language (whether it works or not)

    Manifesto if desired to include


    We want to make a viral video that adds anticipation and mystery around the date of 8/8/16. This video should be used to promote the campaign to other apostate channels until all details are refined.

    We all have this site in common, but many of us know others (exjw) that are on other sites, Facebook forums, etc. once we get the details right we can each make a point to send this out and make it viral. Those who we contact can be asked to do the same. Reach into other audiences and spread the idea.

    Mission Statement

    The mission of “8/8 world wide disassociate” is to push back at the totalitarian religion and leadership of Jehovah’s witnesses through a campaign of mass dissention. The campaign will be a visual demonstration of the lies and captive nature of the organization and its governing body.

    For those who disassociate anonymous

    This is the Manifesto of the Silenced

    We know one of your strongest tools is the idea we don’t exist. We understand that you have created a perception amongst YOUR followers that when someone disagrees with you or becomes “apostate” as you say, they leave the religion completely and go mentally mad. But this is not true, many normal and healthy people are waking up to your lies everyday, some leave at great cost but many cannot.

    The sheer number of captive free thinkers is largely ignored by you and misrepresented by you as “weak” ones who nee to return to Jehovah. But we both know this is simply not true. The ranks of your kingdom halls are rife with those who have left, they do not believe, but they are held captive by your policies of religious hate and years of indoctrination. Those days are over have just ended.

    This is to officially put you on notice we are everywhere. We ARE NO LONGER ONE OF JEHOVAH”S WITNESSES. On paper we may be to protect spouses, friends and family. But we are NOT one of you. And since you have decided to keep us captive in your walls of undue control, we are going to fight from the inside out. Every time someone starts to open their eyes, we will be there to escort them out, every chance we get to air your dirty laundry we will, your youth are growing up in the information age and we will reach them. There would have been no fight if your religion/corporation was not this way, enforcing policies of religious hate, but you have made us rebels, you have created an army of enemies that is now out numbering your members. You have created guerilla anti-theocratic warfare in your own house…

    It’s time for our silence to make noise. It’s time for you, your congregations, and your members to know we sit side by side with them at the meetings.

    The silent will speak

    The sleeping will awake…

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