Scottish independance in two days what do you think?

by barry 122 Replies latest jw friends

  • confusedandalone

    What if the Scottish want to take the chance to strike out on their own and make a go of it. Why do they not deserve that chance. In a hundred or 150 years from now who knows what they could be. The independance of Scotland should not hinge on how it will affect the rest of the world. Their only concern should be what they want as a nation. The U.S.A. made a go of it, why not the Scots if that is what they want as a majority.

    If they are wrong they will have to deal with the consequences, but they deserve to have that choice. No sovereign nation should be under the thumb of another unless its what they want. Imperialism and Colonialism and all of its remnants need to go.

  • Laika

    Errr... They do have the chance CAA, there's a referendum on that choice tomorrow.

  • cofty

    No sovereign nation should be under the thumb of another unless its what they want. Imperialism and Colonialism and all of its remnants need to go.


    Maybe some research on British history required? Braveheart was not a documentary.

    "Scotland - The Story of a Nation" by Magnus Magnusson is an excellent introduction.

  • hamsterbait

    According to one source, what Scotland pays to the Government in tax is LESS than what they get back.

  • confusedandalone

    Laika... that was my point. They have their chance tomorrow.

    Noting British history and down till today they have had many a nation under their thumb. Especially after watching multiple news reports and commentaries the last few days with SCOTS stating exactly what I said.

    I have never seen brave heart so that reference to it means nothing.

  • RubaDub

    Maybe the whole thing has to do with the desire of the Scottish to require or at least encourage everyone to wear a skirt.

    Rub a Dub

  • galaxie

    Research on British history;...very enlightening subject, but the present an future is what's applicable.

    Anyone who thinks Braveheart is a documentary is a dumplin'.

    Magnus magnusson : a fine and respected man, author and father of Sally, but there are many and varied accounts of Scottish hstory with bias truth and untruth abounding many

    to uphold a cause religious or politically not discounting greed.

    Again it is Scotlands present and future which is at stake.

    Best wishes.

  • Amelia Ashton
    Amelia Ashton

    Good Luck Scotland!

    My Scottish friends are all in the "yes" camp but personally I have no idea which way it will go. Early hours Friday morning we will know.

  • Joe Grundy
    Joe Grundy

    These are just some random thoughts from a Brit (Welsh) who never was a dub.

    When we had the referendum on devolution (settled 50.2% in favour, 49.8% against) no details of what the effects would be were available, IIRC. All was to be settled later. I remember a quote 'Few problems are solved by creating more politicians'. We now have an extra layer of bureaucracy with well-paid politicians, civil servants (6,000+), buildings, etc., and the 'Welsh Assembly' is now the 'Welsh Assembly Government'. Some outcomes have been good, some bad (IMO), some mixed.

    Many issues (and major ones at that) are 'to be settled later' - by negotation. It seems to me that to be democratic, if there is a 'Yes' vote it must be followed promptly by a General Election in Scotland so that people and parties can put forward what they would wish to negotiate for.

    In the UK the age of majority is 18. In this referendum, 16 and 17 year olds have been given the vote. In legal terms these are children, able to consent to sex (for example) but regarded as not able to consent to sex with a person in authority (eg a teacher). Unable to make an informed decision on that but able to make an informed decision (irrevocable?) on independence? Discuss.

    On the principle of a democratic right to independence, these thoughts occur:

    Some parts of Scotland (Highlands and Islands?) have expressed the view that they feel so far removed from Edinburgh that they would like independence. Allow a referendum?

    Some parts of England (eg Cornwall) likewise?

    What about Catalonia and the Basques?

    How would the US feel if California wanted independence?

    And, not wanting to be controversial, wasn't the American Civil War about the wish of some southern states to be independent from the then US?

    So many questions, and I haven't even mentioned currency and the EU yet.

    My gut feeling, based on no evidence, is that the 'Yes' campaign has been particularly vociferous. With a cool head, and in the privacy of the polling booth, I suspect that the 'No' vote will win.

  • tim hooper
    tim hooper

    Ah yes, Mel Gibson doing the Braveheart thing yelling "Freedom!"

    So says the millionaire anti-semite Australian on horseback...

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