The Trinity Is A False Doctrine!

by non_trias_theos 129 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  ItsJustlittleoldme

  Christendom teaches that there are three persons in one substance. Yet there is not three gods but one God.

  A.) You obviously don't understand the trinity doctrine... (There are not 3 gods, but one god)

  B.) The WT believes in Jehovah (God #1 for them)

  C.) John 1:1 (NWT) --- And the word was A GOD --- (Jesus, God #2 for them -- Although in reality they don't treat him as a god, they barely even acknowledge his existence)

  D.) Then we have God's representative here on earth, the F&DS for through which nothing that God #1 or God#2 will divuldge, except through them (God #3, who in reality is far more powerful than God #1 or God#2)

  Who has the Trinity doctrine, and three gods again?
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  gumby

  Who has the Trinity doctrine, and three gods again?

  Does anyone know tyhe REAL answer? Why have thousands of theologians tried their hardest to understand the bibles view on who Jesus is and you have two DEDICATED sides.....both....that think their way is correct, and it spells doom for those who differ?

  Why would God CHOOSE to make such a primary doctrine such as....".who he is"....be so obscure, that for centuries the argument continues?
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  ItsJustlittleoldme

  that think their way is correct, and it spells doom for those who differ?

  Honestly, I dont' think it is a salvation issue at all.. I have no problem with people that believe in the trinity or with people who don't believe in the trinity... I do not think either side is right or wrong because, as you pointed out, and I agree with completely, no one knows for sure..

  But I do disagree with the WT in that they don't have any clue what the trinity doctrine really means, yet they clearly have no problem trashing the doctrine.. And they do this constantly with just about all other religions, and other's doctrines.. They have no clue, yet they trash them anyway..That was my whole point to my post.. They think the trinity means 3 gods, and it does NOT in any way even suggest 3 seperate gods...

  However, I was pointing out how their doctrine has a few flaws in it, using their OWN bible (In fact, the flaws don't appear in other bibles, only in their BIBLE does it create a problem for them)..They have seperated their God Jehovah from their god Jesus by their very own bible translation.. Jesus is "A GOD"... And they pray through him to Jehovah.. Why would you have to pray THROUGH one god to get to another god??? It clearly states in the bible (Even the NWT) that there will be no god before me... (So, how can Jesus, who is called "A GOD" in the NWT need to be put 'before' Jehovah, as it says (even in the NWT) no one can come to the father except thru me (Jesus)..)

  And I won't even get into the problem they cause themselves with the fact that Jesus is only the mediator of the 144,000...

  And, ya know what, not a single JW has EVER been able to explain to me about the "A god" nor have they been able to show me in any bible where it states that Jesus is only the mediator of 144,000...

  Explain to me how people not of the little flock can even address Jehovah, as Jesus clearly states that NO-ONE gets to the father except thru me..
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  Lindon

  "That all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does nor honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him." John 5:23 (kjv)
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  plmkrzy

  Also if there is NO trinity what so ever how do you explain.....

  1.In Genesis 1:26 Jehovah is speaking of creation

  and others

  Did Jehovah sign on the dotted line after HE SAID THAT IN THOSE EXACT WORDS? And whatlanguage was he speaking when he said it?

  Why does it bother you so much that there are people that believe differently than you?

  The formatting is an accident. I'll try to fix it.

  Cant get rid of everything.

  the formatting tools are limited. I can't seem to clear the yellow.

  Edited by - plmkrzy on 17 July 2002 1:41:9

  Edited by - plmkrzy on 17 July 2002 1:46:8
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  Lindon

  If Jehovah "signing" a dotted line marking His words is the case, then we cannot take anything in the bible seriously or believe it was ispired by God. But through this He asks us to have faith in what he says. And also, why does it bother you that I voice my opinion??? It seems like I'm not the one with the problem but you, and this is supposed to be a place where I can ask questions to other JW to try and understand them and what they believe, but instead I am getting responses that are defenses and automatically assuming I am trying to put everyone down because they are a different religion.
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  plmkrzy

  LMAO you are truly disturbed.

  You can read my post over and over as many time as you wish and you will not find anything in it what so ever that could even be remotely close to an insult. How ever you have made a conscious decision to become offended and defensive and make a weak attempt to turn it around. If that the game you want to play then play it with some one else I will not respond to such silly rhetoric anymore I am sick of it. I log on to this DB to talk and discuss and exchange ideas not slam or be slammed.

  Have a nice day.

  plum
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  gumby

  Plum..I will not respond to such silly rhetoric anymore I am sick of it. I log on to this DB to talk and discuss and exchange ideas not slam or be slammed.

  Well said!
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  Lindon

  Hmmm... touching story, it really moved me. In my posts I tell facts not my emotions. And by the way, if you here to exchange ideas, why does it concern you what other people believe in the first place? That shouldn't matter.
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  aqwsed12345

  The Church expresses her trinitarian faith by professing a belief in the oneness of God in whom there are three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The three divine Persons are only one God because each of them equally possesses the fullness of the one and indivisible divine nature. They are really distinct from each other by reason of the relations which place them in correspondence to each other. The Father generates the Son; the Son is generated by the Father; the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.

  The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the consubstantial Trinity. The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God. Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.

  The divine persons are really distinct from one another. God is one but not solitary. "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son. They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds. The divine Unity is Triune.

  The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance. Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship. Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son.

  St. Gregory of Nazianzus, also called "the Theologian", entrusts this summary of Trinitarian faith to the catechumens of Constantinople:

  Above all guard for me this great deposit of faith for which I live and fight, which I want to take with me as a companion, and which makes me bear all evils and despise all pleasures: I mean the profession of faith in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. I entrust it to you today. By it I am soon going to plunge you into water and raise you up from it. I give it to you as the companion and patron of your whole life. I give you but one divinity and power, existing one in three, and containing the three in a distinct way. Divinity without disparity of substance or nature, without superior degree that raises up or inferior degree that casts down. . . the infinite co-naturality of three infinites. Each person considered in himself is entirely God. . . the three considered together. . . I have not even begun to think of unity when the Trinity bathes me in its splendor. I have not even begun to think of the Trinity when unity grasps me. . .