The President addresses the Nation

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  • designs
    designs

    To understand these questions read- Fire This Time, The WATTS Uprising in the 1960s- author Gerald Horne.

    All of the LA TV Stations and the great L.A.Times Newspaper reported the riots as 'Lawlessness and Destructiveness'. The L.A.Times did not have even one Black Reporter on staff at this time.

    What do you think the views were of the white suburbanites who saw Blacks burning down their own town versus the real feelings from inside Watts and the real reasons for the riots.

    There is such disconnect in understanding sociology and the 'view from inside' between a dominate culture and a minority culture who experience oppression and a controlled say in their future.

  • Simon
    Simon

    So the prevailing sentiment seems to be: Slavery and oppression from years ago and descrimination and harrassment today as the cause of the increased violence in black society?

    Personally, I don't think any previous injustices ever justify the kind of sick thuggery and violence we see on the news (much of it suppressed) and I think the message that the past 'excuses' such behavior is a bad one to even hint at. All it does is perpetuate a cycle - can victims of today's black crime for instance use that to justify harsh treatment of other blacks in future? No - because it comes back to the fundamental issue:

    They are angry with the wrong guy.

    Sure, some white guys did terrible things to black people in the past. But it wasn't us. It wasn't me. It wasn't George Zimmerman.

    It also doesn't explain the cause of what is the major issue - black on black crime and violence.

    Black anger against whites is more 'understandable' because of the past but why all the crime targetting each other?

    Is that caused by white oppression too?

  • Simon
    Simon

    Are the issues with places like Watts still the same issues in places like Chicago?

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    WasB - I agree, the public schools only introduce cleaned up versions of slavery. In fact I would go a step further to say that if they were to really introduce the history of the USA that included all slavery - white, black, indian and all others - you could not and would not have much of the problems you do today. That's because everyone would realize and have to ask how it was that wealth was created and sustained by buying and selling humans of any color that could be had - and in so doing, they would demand answers and change from the very groups and organizations that lived with and continue to use human bondage to make a profit and earn a living.

    Perhaps the average student of any color would grow up together recognizing that their suffering was created by power, sustained by power and continues to exist because of power.

    Kids are taught prejudice and racism - they can be taught unity if the choice was there to teach it.

    I say that for the majority because I cannot speak for some segments of the population in regards to religion and their view on the issue of color. People are naturally inclined to want to hang out with or talk with those like them - sometimes it is language, sometimes culture, sometimes music, or books, or career - sometimes color. That doesn't make a racist - but I think it's easier to label than it is to learn. sammieswife

  • designs
    designs

    Author Natalie Hopkinson argues that terms like 'black on black violence' are a reflection of the undertow of lingering racism in our Society. How often do you hear the media use the term- 'white on white violence', was it used in the Colorado movie theatre massacre, can you think of cases where news reporters described a violent scene using this term.

    As couple of economic areas that adversly affected our major cities and minorities:

    When the incredible greed of the major US Banks and Wall Street crushed the (our) financial world and they called in their chips at Congress to get our money did the small community Banks, minority owned Banks, get equal or proportionate help.

    When well paying manufacturing jobs left the cities (by greedy capitalists with no concern for the empty towns they would leave behind) to places overseas what was the effect on middle income families, minority families, who had been doing well with money to send their children to college.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Simon - prejudice and racism can be incestuous. A gggrandparent who is the victim of racism can easily burden their own child with the same racist viewpoint, even if that child never experiences racism - that parent then passes that down to their children even if that child has not experienced it and so on and so on. In essence when Obama said 'women hold their purses tighter and doors are locked in the mall lot'..is his own assumption of what he sees as racism when in fact, those acts may not be even remotely attributed to race. Do we look for things not there because we are told it must be there? If Al Sharpton is on television telling you that your children are going to get shot by some white guy out hunting little black children, and yet the statistics prove that isn't happening, he has manipulated you into predetermining how you will view white people and ultimately how your children will view white people. That is why they are called race baiters - sammieswife

    The following article is by Buchanan - it has been copied all over by many other papers and most will pull out the same stats regardless of political leaning - its the stats that are more interesting...

    By: Patrick J. Buchanan
    7/19/2013

    In the aftermath of the acquittal of George Zimmerman, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton and Ben Jealous of the NAACP are calling on the black community to rise up in national protest.

    Yet they know — and Barack Obama, whose silence speaks volumes, knows — nothing is going to happen.

    “Stand-Your-Ground” laws in Florida and other states are not going to be repealed. George Zimmerman is not going to be prosecuted for a federal “hate crime” in the death of Trayvon Martin.

    The result of all this ginned-up rage that has produced vandalism and violence is simply going to be an ever-deepening racial divide.

    Consider the matter of crime and fear of crime.

    From listening to cable channels and hearing Holder, Sharpton, Jealous and others, one would think the great threat to black children today emanates from white vigilantes and white cops.

    Hence, every black father must have a “conversation” with his son, warning him not to resist or run if pulled over or hassled by a cop.

    Make the wrong move, son, and you may be dead is the implication.

    But is this the reality in Black America?

    When Holder delivered his 2009 “nation-of-cowards” speech blaming racism for racial separation, Manhattan Institute’s Heather Mac Donald suggested that our attorney general study his crime statistics.

    In New York from January to June 2008, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black, according to witnesses and victims, though blacks were only 24 percent of the population. Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98 percent of all gun assailants. Forty-nine of every 50 muggings and murders in the Big Apple were the work of black or Hispanic criminals.

    New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirms Mac Donald’s facts. Blacks and Hispanics commit 96 percent of all crimes in the city, he says, but only 85 percent of the stop-and-frisks are of blacks and Hispanics.

    And these may involve the kind of pat-downs all of us have had at the airport.

    Is stop-and-frisk the work of racist cops in New York, where the crime rate has been driven down to levels unseen in decades?

    According to Kelly, a majority of his police force, which he has been able to cut from 41,000 officers to 35,000, is now made up of minorities.

    But blacks are also, per capita, the principal victims of crime. Would black fathers prefer their sons to grow up in Chicago, rather than low-crime New York City, with its stop-and-frisk policy?

    Fernando Mateo, head of the New York taxicab union, urges his drivers to profile blacks and Hispanics for their own safety: “The God’s honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these drivers are blacks and Hispanics.”

    Mateo is what The New York Times would describe as “a black Hispanic” Yet he may be closer to the ‘hood than Holder, who says he was stopped by police when running to a movie — in Georgetown.

    Which raises a relevant question. Georgetown is an elitist enclave of a national capital that has been ruled by black mayors for half a century. It’s never had a white mayor.

    Is Holder saying we’ve got racist cops in the district where Obama carried 86 percent of the white vote and 97 percent of the black vote? And his son should fear the white cops in Washington, D.C.?

    What about interracial crime, white-on-black attacks and the reverse?

    After researching the FBI numbers for “Suicide of a Superpower,” this writer concluded: “An analysis of ‘single offender victimization figures’ from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study.”

    Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

    If interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism, what does this tell us about where racism really resides — in America?

    And if the FBI stats for 2007 represent an average year since the Tawana Brawley rape-hoax of 1987, over one-third of a million white women have been sexually assaulted by black males since 1987 — with no visible protest from the civil rights leadership.

    Today, 73 percent of all black kids are born out of wedlock. Growing up, these kids drop out, use drugs, are unemployed, commit crimes and are incarcerated at many times the rate of Asians and whites — or Hispanics, who are taking the jobs that used to go to young black Americans.

    Are white vigilantes or white cops really Black America’s problem?

    Obama seems not to think so. The Rev. Sharpton notwithstanding, he is touting Ray Kelly as a possible chief of homeland security.

    Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of “Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?”

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  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Designs - I would argue given the statistics, that it is not so much racism that defines the language, but the media. They were the ones lets remember that called Zimmerman first a white guy - the sole intended reason for labelling him in that way was to INCITE racist feelings immediately. The lawyer who fuelled this is a black civil rights lawyer - aligned with the NAACP - all together made a conscious decision to make this a race crime when it did not appear that way and there was nothing to support that claim.

    The media then changed to white-hispanic. The other day I heard someone now defined as a black hispanic. The media uses black on black to support their articles. The notion they would have to do a white on white comes whenever there is a serial killer and every analyst crawls out on tv to let us know that most serial killers are white. The government uses the media as their own propaganda tool - mainstream media is just that 'media'. It isn't really reporting or journalilsm - its more a case of who wants you to believe what.

    Just MHO...sammieswife

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Perhaps the average student of any color would grow up together recognizing that their suffering was created by power, sustained by power and continues to exist because of power. ____Sammieswife

    Girl you said a mouth full !!!!!!

    Do you remember years ago when Jacklyn Smith line of clothes was given a bad name

    because of how the workers who made them were treated ?

    I think Nike went through the same thing

    Now, Those big corporations in power don't see nothin' wrong in that

    and these big corporations changed their mind about the use of such cheap labor

    to the point where many good payin' jobs were outsourced to what could be

    compared to slave labor

    Yes, Jobs here at home suffered because of what was created by those in power from the left and the right

    .

  • designs
    designs

    If you subscribe to Pat Buchanan's viewpoint you must think Rush Limbaugh is the Prince of Peace.

  • designs
    designs

    Here is the ugly side of a predominate culture seeing the Country change and power shifting and broadening over multi-ethnic lines-

    Author and journalist Paul R. Lehman quotes Pat Buchanan on the re-election of Barak Obama, Pat Buchanan was interviewed by G. Gordon Libby, Pat said of Obama- he 'killed white America', he contines 'White America died last night. Obama's reelection killed it. Our 200 plus year history as a Western nation is over. We're a Socialist Latin America now. Venezula without oil.' G. Gordon Libby pressed the issue asking- 'You seem to imply that white people are better than other people' to which Buchanan replied 'Isn't it obvious. Anything worth doing on this Earth was done by white people first' 'The great white nation will never survive another four years of Obama's leadership'..

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