NRA Targets Obama Daughters; Limbaugh Mocks Murdered Children

by BizzyBee 246 Replies latest members politics

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    Has anybody looked at the first draft of the American Constitution????????????????????????????

    It was originally the right to own property. With black Slaves, the Founding Fathers could not have that.

    With an imminent War of Independence, they needed everybody able to kill if necessary.

    Times have changed.

    The slaves are no more, the war is no more.

    Children today are no more because of lax gun laws.

    More Nuclear Arms makes the world more dangerous. Same with guns.

    No bombs, no mass destruction. No guns, no shootings. How stupid does a person need to be NOT to understand this?

    HB

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    I understand it. The world is a dangerous place. What is your proposal to deal with it?

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Why don't you tell me what YOU meant by high capacity in the question you asked

    Anything over 30 rounds.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Desirous - there are major studies that DO show a corelation between opportunity, income, education, environment and gangs, gun violence, violence in general, unemployment, poor health and so on.

    And?

    We watched what happend with the healthcare debate when it was mentioned that the government just wanted to 'offer' up a public option. The airwaves were full of death panel stories, fictional tales of abuse and socialism and communism and a very distinct 'I have mine get your own' attitude. Those issues won't ever be addressed because in reality, if you can't even begin to talk about some sort of resolution on the number, type and easy way to get guns, you won't have a civil dialogue on anything else. People are ready to pay another third of the pay to taxes for armed guards and for their own personal right to buy a gun - but they aren't willing to put any of their own money in taxes for healthcare. It simply shows a mindset.

    If people have jobs, good paying jobs so that they can support themselves, they usually prefer that to being in a gang and running drugs. If you provide opportunity to get out of a bad environment it spurs hope and more opportunity. I disagree with the way most social programs are run but I also see the need and value for them. I think they entrap a lot of people when they shouldn't.

    In the gun debate though - no matter if a person doesn't like the CDC - call it the GRD (gun research department) - the bottom line is that funding was halted 20 years ago because of the NRA. What were they scared of? One can only assume that they were getting scared of too much negative information coming out about some guns that would have changed the course of the public attitude toward some types of guns and their availability.

    What I find interesting is all these people who have babies. My goodness! We DEMAND good food for them. We DEMAND that only safe car seats are installed in our cars. We DEMAND that cars are built to sustain minimal damage in an accident to save the lives of our kids. We DEMAND a recall of blinds with cords attached cos they strangle kids. We DEMAND that all toys are safe from lead and toxic plastics. We DEMAND a smoker remove themselves from the presence of our babies. The list goes on and on and on and on and yet - when it comes to guns - the rights of people to have 50 at a time with 6,000 bullets seems to take hold and the babies get left behind in the dusty debate. Astonishing.

    sammieswife

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    WHY WHY WHY are there so many comments about ""EMOTIONAL"" arguments""?

    Disgust at what happened is a justifiable emotion - it tells us something is WRONG and needs to change.

    Our disgust at the Holocaust is EMOTIONAL too - dont tell me that to argue against what Hitler did is "irrational" or invalid because it is based on an emotion of horror and disgust.

    Human emotion is what ensured our survival: Love, anger, trust, hate.

    Lets trust our emotions when we see our children being slaughtered so gun lovers can be "FREEE".

    HB

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    WHY WHY WHY are there so many comments about ""EMOTIONAL"" arguments""?

    Disgust at what happened is a justifiable emotion - it tells us something is WRONG and needs to change.

    Our disgust at the Holocaust is EMOTIONAL too - dont tell me that to argue against what Hitler did is "irrational" or invalid because it is based on an emotion of horror and disgust.

    Human emotion is what ensured our survival: Love, anger, trust, hate.

    Lets trust our emotions when we see our children being slaughtered so gun lovers can be "FREEE".

    Because emotion doesn't help pass reasonable legislation that actually matters. It's hits the nearest target regardless of relevance because it feels good.

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    And you don't think that should be banned ?????

    Ep, 20 and 30 rounds belong in a war zone not in schools and shoppin' centers

    where they wind up.

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    Entirelyposs -

    I am not talking about the WORLD AS A DANGEROUS PLACE.

    Crossing the road is dangerous - lets all buy a gun to shoot the motorists who might run us down.

    etc etc.

    Schools should be a place of safety. Not danger. If nobody had guns they couldnt go into an open school with trustingly open doors and shoot babies.

    HB

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    And you don't think that should be banned ?????

    Ep, 20 and 30 rounds belong in a war zone not in schools and shoppin' centers

    where they wind up.

    No, I don't. Why do they only belong in a war zone? Children are routinely killed there also.

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    Entirely

    ARE YOU LIVING IN THE PRESENT - most legislation is passed with an eye to winning an election. That is all American politics is about now.

    As for the world being dangerous - I was only thinking of AMERICAN kids.

    The rest of the world is its own problem.

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