The mission of the CDC is to control disease - not to study guns.
This is similar to the case of NASA (whose mission is to explore space) being told to "reach out to Islamic nations".
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james_woods
I just put up a list of the Obama proposed executive actions on guns on another thread.
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BizzyBee
The mission of the CDC is to control disease - not to study guns.
Oh, I'm so glad you bring up the CDC.
Their mission actually encompasses injury, putting guns pretty high on the list of causative factors.
Here's some good information the CDC discovered before their research efforts were shut down 17 years ago (by the NRA):
From the mid-1980s to the mid-1990s, the CDC conducted original, peer-reviewed research into gun violence, including questions such as whether people who had guns in their homes gained protection from the weapons. (The answer, researchers found, was no. Homes with guns had a nearly three times greater risk of homicide and a nearly five times greater risk of suicide than those without, according to a 1993 study in the New England Journal of Medicine.)
But in 1996, the NRA, with the help of Congressional leaders, moved to suppress such information and to block future federal research into gun violence, [Dr. Mark Rosenberg, president of the Task Force for Global Health and director of the CDC's Center for Injury Prevention and Control from 1994 to 1999] said.
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144001
Whether guns are effective for home protection is irrelevant to this issue. The Second Amendment does not limit the right to bear arms to home protection purposes.
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EntirelyPossible
<<<<Will you voluntarily give up all police, paramedic, emergency aid, fire protection and any other form of service from the state designed to help you in exchange for not paying taxes on those items?>>>>
Nice try, EP, but this is a form of fallacious reasoning know as "false analogy." It's commonly accepted that the services you refer to are necessary, but it certainly isn't the common consensus that armed guards are needed in schools, as the nutcakes at the NRA are advocating.
False in that you don't want to answer it because answering it honestly would nullify your position, maybe. True in reality based world.
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Giordano
"The one I find the most stupid is having the CDC do a study on gun crime."
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm
From the mid-1980s to the mid-1990s, the CDC conducted original, peer-reviewed research into gun violence, including questions such as whether people who had guns in their homes gained protection from the weapons. (The answer, researchers found, was no. Homes with guns had a nearly three times greater risk of homicide and a nearly five times greater risk of suicide than those without, according to a 1993 study in the New England Journal of Medicine.)
But in 1996, the NRA, with the help of Congressional leaders, moved to suppress such information and to block future federal research into gun violence, [Dr. Mark Rosenberg, president of the Task Force for Global Health and director of the CDC's Center for Injury Prevention and Control from 1994 to 1999] said.
The statute that governs the agency's funding stipulates that none of its federal funding can be used "to advocate or promote gun control." While that never specifically blocked research into gun violence, the language was broad enough to give CDC officials pause and serve as a deterrent to inquisitive researchers. [Paul D. Thacker, a former Senate investigator, wrote about the NRA's campaign to shut down studies at the CDC in a piece for Slate back in December.You can read that here.]
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144001
EP,
How have I not answered your question? It's you who failed to rebut the characterization of your comment as a false analogy, which it was and is.
Gun owners would be wise to avoid supporting nutty arguments at this time. It only strenghtens the power of the "ban all guns" crowd.
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james_woods
What you just described, BizzyBee, is mission creep on the grand scale.
The purpose of the CDC is to investigate and control disease.
They have no mission to study guns, pontificate on air safety, make comments on car crashworthiness, mandate workplace safety rules, involve themselves in environmental pollution abatement, etc.
All of those things are related to injuries - but they are not under the pervue of the CDC.
BTW - provisions number 11 and 16 are also ridiculously silly...(which I will refer to the other thread)
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DesirousOfChange
Sammie:
Did your list of international statistics deliberately limit it to handguns, since handguns are rare in other countries.
The school incident and theater incident both involved long guns (I think). "Assalt Rifles"
Where is Mexico on this list? Lots of murder by gunshot (handguns? I don't know. But just as violent and just as dead.)
And another issue that everyone is afraid to mention:
WHERE are all the violent murders taking place in the US?
WHO are the offenders?
It's predominately in inner-city, low income, minority areas.
3106 African American offenders (47%) but 13% of the population
3249 White offenders (49%) but 73% of the population
276 All other/unknown offenders (04%) but 14% of the population
Obviously(TM), the issue is NOT the color of a person's skin.
So, what is it? What do we need to work on?
Culture? Socio-economics? Prejudice? (Very distorted statistics on the prison population, too)
It's deeper and more difficult than passing a law against the weapon itself.
Doc
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BizzyBee
they are not under the pervue of the CDC.
Says who? You're coming off as anti-science, james. That's another problem with your party.
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- detect and investigate health problems,
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Collaborating to create the expertise, information, and tools that people and communities need to protect their health – through health promotion, prevention of disease, injury and disability, and preparedness for new health threats.
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