How do you keep your hopes up while in this doomed existence?

by sabastious 107 Replies latest jw friends

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    A hypothesis is guesswork. . . . NC

    That too is a little sweeping.

    Most hypotheses are much more than just simple guesswork. In a typical scientific environment a hypothesis is formed after a lot of evidential data is assembled and considered. This may involve data gathering in terms of exisiting data and also the assembly of new field data using the most contemporary techniques and methods. It's from such data that all possible implications are considered and a hypothesis is formed in order to develop the process of experimentation and testing (falsification). To label it simply "guesswork" as if it is just an idea plucked out of someone's imagination is not accurate in the world of science I inhabited. If the "science" you are relying on has not demonstrably been subjected to these processes . . . it's simply not science, whether it's some scientists opinion or anybody elses. Simply reading web articles written by scientists cannot be relied upon as "science" . . . unless you are prepared to actually check the science for yourself. Your leaving yourself open.

    You can't be lazy with science. We had a PhD professor telling students in a University here that climate change was not really occurring and the data was inconclusive. His own students were flabbergasted so they went away and did the research themselves. The story broke in the press and the scientific community was quietly outraged. The data is overwhelmingly conclusive . . . any remaining controversy is only in the proportionary allocation of causation factors. You simply have to take responsibility for the quality of your science . . . and it takes a little work.

    ED; To be fair I should add . . . the rest of what you said made a similar distinction . . . but "guesses' used in hypotheses are a small part of a greater process, a tool, . . . and are never published as science . . . and rarely published at all except for the purposes of the process. Opinions and speculation are something else, but they're not "science" or hypotheses.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    It's a defeating feeling for me to think of the earth being enveloped in a world destroying solar flare or a space rock coming and ending life as we know it. It seems to rob me of motivation and drive.

    Sabatious, as I said, the things you mention, scientists can only make educated guesses about, whether or when they will happen. So for me, I don't worry about them and I would find a way to ease my child's mind about this. My dad told me about supernovas. When I began to worry my brothers told me it would be many thousands of years away, which did not console me. It upset me to think of everyone dying. My dad could have consoled me, he just didn't know I was so terrified. If he had said, "Heather, there are supernovas but honestly, no one can know if the sun will supernova. If it's going to, it will be maybe millions or billions years from now. By then man may no longer live here on earth anyway. Maybe they will have gone to another planet. Don't worry darling. Now let's get on with living." That would have helped me a lot.

    One interesting thing I can say is that the thought of a god destroying the earth with fire never worried me. I never believed that idea. My church didn't even mention it, but when others mentioned it, I found it a silly thought. But when someone mentioned a supernova, that scared me seriously. So God didn't freak me out, but supernovas or nuclear war did.

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    Personally I believe that religion and science are from opposite sources and lead to opposite destinations. Totally irreconcilable.

    I choose science.

    I identify as SBNR - Spiritual But Not Religious.

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  • james_woods
    james_woods

    I have a very interesting book - "Einstein and Kulture" - it devotes two chapters to the grezat man's religious thoughts.

    I have been meaning to do a thread on that subject, but want to re-read the book again first.

    BTW - the "devalued evolution" theory is quite simply - nonsense.

  • 144001
    144001

    You can choose to be positive about life, or you can choose to be negative, but irrespective of that choice, life is short. Your dirt nap will be reality sooner than you might realize . . .

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    james, you would find Einstein's famous essay, "Why Socialism?" an interesting read.

    http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    He was good, BizzyBee - but not perfect.

    After all - he was wrong about quantum theory too; and Neils Bohr was right.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    That too is a little sweeping.

    Most hypotheses are much more than just simple guesswork. In a typical scientific environment a hypothesis is formed after a lot of evidential data is assembled and considered. This may involve data gathering in terms of exisiting data and also the assembly of new field data using the most contemporary techniques and methods.

    True, but the context I was responding to was why science may appear to be 'guesswork' and so I used that term to try and bring out a point. A person could look at science, see the discarded hypotheses and conclude it was all 'guesswork'. So I was only attempting to go through the process, where the beginning is much more guess, simply because it has not yet been proven, therefore a guess. It can be an educated guess, for sure, and usually is. And I was contrasting that with the difference between the beginning, where there are many unknowns, to the ending where hypotheses have been tested and found strong enough to move on to theory.

    It's sometimes hard to match scientific language with everyday language---we can see how the term theory is ripped apart---so I did my best to explain what may appear to be guesswork to the person that does not look deeper.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    What NewChapter said is right.

    Going back to the Special Theory of Relativity - the theory was far more than just a "guess".

    Einstein had a solid mathematical framework to make this prediction - the predictions were also soon proved by experiments that Einstein himself suggested - i.e. the bending of starlight by the gravitational effect of the Sun.

    It was the furthest thing imaginable from a "lucky guess".

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