Candace Conti video on YouTube - let's send it viral!

by cedars 126 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    I'm nitpicking again. Sorry, but it's only because I do not want any JW (or anyone else) to poke holes in what you say.

    Q. in video: Why has the Watchtower Society been found legally responsible?

    A. "Two witness rule"

    Fine - no problem with that. BUT (and again these are technicalities) it doesn't help to cite the 2010 Flock book when this was not relevant to the question of why the WTS was found legally responsible. If anything, find the earlier elders' book and cite that. There's a difference in what's policy now (and the problems with it) and what was policy then (and the even worse problems with it).

    It's a very polished, clearly presented video - again nugget has a lovely voice - and some vital points are being made to hit home. (Funny, I talked about this case to a JW who is sympathetic as regards to the child abuse issue in the org. and he quoted Rom 13 to me - 'let the chips fall where they may' kind of attitude). But like 00DAD, I just get anxious that the wording/message is watertight. Over-zealous, I guess.

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    In California there have long been laws requiring immediate reporting of any suspected child rape, molestation, pornography, or physical abuse.

    Reporting guidelines are tougher for some categories, like teachers, emergency room managers, social workers and others (primarily civil servants). They are supposed to report any "suspected" cases of abuse (child tells teacher "mommy's boyfriend plays with my peepee") or injury (child covered with unexplained bruises or other injuries).

    I was a deputy sheriff in California in the early 1980s. On occasion I would go along with a social worker to someone's home to check things out. One of the first questions we would ask was "exactly when did this injury occur?" Failure to immediately report such an injury would result in at least a misdemeanor charge of "failure to report." Things have only become more strict with higher penalties. Most states add to child abuse laws every year and penalties have increased as well.

    My understanding of the law (at least as it was in California in the mid-1980s) is that any third party suspecting or learning of pedophilia or other child abuse MUST contact police or child protection services as soon as possible. In some cases, witnesses or family members aware of such potential criminal activity would call their attorneys first for guidance, but that did not relieve them of making a timely report. In some cases their attorney would call the police and make the report for them - but the report still had to be made. The reason for timely reporting is to effectively stop potential criminal activity and to protect the child(ren) from further harm.

    The Watchtower took the position that elders learning of such criminal activity should call the Service Department or Watchtower Legal for guidance. In too many cases, elders were told that WT headquarters would take care of it. The way the WT took care of it was to make an in-house report and file it away. If the elders took it upon themselves to report the incidence to the police either before (as per the law) or after (the minimum action they should have taken) then the Watchtower would come down on them like a load of bricks.

    Aside from the fact that these men were elders, under California law they were required to make a report to the police as United States and California state CITIZENS. If you were an elder and you saw a horrible car crash outside of the Kingdom Hall and one of the injured had come to the door for help - would you call WT Legal or Service departments first? or would you call police and an ambulance, get help for the injured, and then maybe call WT HQ?

    The logic the Watchtower used then and now is backwards. "Call us first and report later (if we instruct you to do so)" does not agree with California law and it certainly did not in the mid-1990s. It's always been "report the crime or injury first, and then call your attorney for further guidance, if necessary."

    The Watchtower did not have a leg to stand on in 1985, 1995, 2005, or now by requiring their elders to "call WT Legal or Service departments first for instructions." By their very written words, in California they were directing the elders to COMMIT A CRIME by not immediately reporting any suspected child abuse directly to the police as soon as they learned of it or suspected it.

    Cedars, I think you are fine and don't need to change a thing. Yes, the court case was a civil one and it is unlikely that any criminal charges will come out of this case. But the entire reason for the case and the jury's verdict was because it was determined that the local elders, and by extension the Watchtower, committed crimes by not properly reporting Candace Conti's abuse immediately to local police or child protection authorities.

    JV

  • life is to short
    life is to short

    Excellent!

    LITS

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    My understanding of the law (at least as it was in California in the mid-1980s) is that any third party suspecting or learning of pedophilia or other child abuse MUST contact police or child protection services as soon as possible.

    Are you sure? I thought mandatory reporting in CA wasn't in effect back then - more a late-90s/early 2000s thing. Would like to have some hard facts cos I've been giving out some false info myself if that's the case.

    We are talking about mandatory reporting for clergy, btw.

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    BRAVO!!!

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    Juan Viejo2, thanks for your clarification.

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    One more thing:

    I disagree with the Watchtower attorney McCabe and even those here making excuses for the elders and the Watchtower ("they should not be responsible for the actions of a non-elder member of the Kingdom Hall")

    I think the reason the jury came down hard on the Watchtower in this case is not whether Kendrick was, or was not, a person in authority within the Kingdom Hall. It was the fact that the elders - at the direction of the Watchtower, both in fact (by direction from Watchtower Legal - and by instructions in BOE letters and the Elder's book) and in law did not fulfill their duties under the law to report crimes of this nature to the authorities in a timely manner.

    The idea that elders should "wait on Jehovah to sort things out" is so juvenile that the Watchtower leaders should have their brains confiscated. It's like having a kid break a leg during a football game and then having the coach tell him to "walk it off" or he'll be kicked off the team.

    Next question: Does anyone at Society headquarters have any common sense? Does Jehovah automatically kill all of the brain cells of Governing Body members as soon as they are appointed? Where is their humanity? Where is their sense of justice just as citizens of the world?

    Like Pharaoh, they have hardened their hearts and will soon drown in the sea of public opinion.

    JV

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    Ann OMaly - Yes, you are right. Clergy guidelines were toughened after all of the cases involving the Catholic Church were beginning to become newsworthy. It was the clergy-penitent confidentiality acts that were revised. Even after those laws went into effect, the Catholic Church continued to ignore the laws and the church suffered greatly from it.

    But even under civil law of the 1990s the Conti case would probably not apply - especially when Miss Conti asked for help. When Kendrick approached the elders and confessed his transgressions in private would be considered confidential. But just because someone was an elder would not relieve him of reporting a crime reported by the victim or the victim's family. If Miss Conti had gone to the elders and said, "please do not tell anyone, but Brother Kendrick has been molesting me," the law even then would have required the elder to take some sort of action to protect her from further harm.

    The elder's first responsibility, even then, was to take whatever action necessary to protect further harm to the victim, especially someone who was a minor child at the time.

    It is clear from this jury's verdict and the award they made, that they did not buy that excuse for a minute. That excuse may be the only thing that gives the Watchtower some relief from the millions they owe Ms. Conti, but it still does not compute for anyone with half a brain as being the right thing to do.

    JV

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    OK, I found

    http://www.kyros.org/PDF's/State%20CA%20Clergy%20Reporting%20Module.pdf p. 3

    http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/clergymandated.pdf p. 6

    http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/clergymandated.pdf p. 6-7

    which suggest that the clergy were brought in as mandatory reporters in CA in 1997, with further amendments in 2003-4 and 2010. Exception for penitential communications.

    Ah, our posts have crossed. Got it.

  • ScenicViewer
    ScenicViewer

    I just saw the video and like it alot. Despite a small technical point or two, the video is excellent because it gets to the points of what happened in Coti's case, what the Watchtower policies are that contributed to her molestation (keeping a known pedophile secret from the congregation, thus endangering other children), and does so in a non-sensational, docuentary-like fashion.

    I honestly believe this video would get my attention if I was an active Witnesses.

    The quality of the writing and narration are superb!

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