With all this movement by the WTB&TS, it appears that their sincerity of compliance is at best, questionable
Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo 156 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
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BroMac
is Geoff Jackson an Aussie citizen? if so, can he be made to go to court in Victoria if charged?
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Band on the Run
Generally, you need to be physically present in the country. This is why people run to Canada or Mexico. They may be able to attach property left in Australia. Court orders are only a big joke unless a court can see them enforced. A police force helps. It gets complicated.
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coffee_black
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wha happened?
The problem is that the Governing Body cannot be penalized in Australia. The court can only seize property or individuals in Australia. I think the GB does not care if they can't visit Australia.
True. I don't know how to compare law in Aussieland, compared to the US, but they can seize property owned by the society should a sanction occur.
I think JWfacts really hit it on the head. How many elders are not going to pass the requirements, and why. That in itself is very very bad press. Imagine a number of elders already working with children have to step down, because the laws of the country, apparently, are better set for the protection of children then the "moral" criteria set for becoming an elder.
This is juicy, and there's no way out now. Someone isn't going to make the grade, and this organization is going to be percieved, as protecting the non complient elder, rather than the children
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mind blown
Extradition Treaty between USA and AUSTRALIA: (note child abuse laws on list)
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/esoar465/sch1.html
Also:
Bruce Beresford recent extradition from USA to Mexico: (he commited his crime in Mexico)
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BroMac
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ah yes, thanks
here is another as i dont know much about visa laws. As far as i can tell Jackson is an aussie citizen, ok so if charged he can not be forced to go to victoria to answer those charges as a member of the GB, but what woud happen to his US visa if he was convicted in his absence under the Working With Children laws. is their a possibilty of it being revoked on his return from a "zone vacation." ?
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rebel8
If you look at the wts' doctrine over time, they've changed the definition many times.
1881-FSD is Christ
1896-FSD is Russell
1927-FSD is WTS
1960-FSD has been the xian congregation since AD 33 (Forget the fact that we said it was Christ, then Russell, then wts!)
NEWEST LIGHT2011-FSD is a theological arrangement*
*In wts in-group language, "arrangement" means "procedure or method of doing something". Example: "donation arrangement"
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Think About It
1881-FSD is Christ, 1896-FSD is Russell, 1927-FSD is WTS, 1960-FSD has been the xian congregation since AD 33 (Forget the fact that we said it was Christ, then Russell, then wts!)
NEWEST LIGHT2011-FSD is a theological arrangement*
*In wts in-group language, "arrangement" means "procedure or method of doing something". Example: "donation arrangement"
Never underestimate the power of NEW LIGHT .
Think About It
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rebel8
examples of use of the word "arrangement"
dfing is an arrangement http://www.watchtower.org/e/19880415/article_01.htm
marriage is an arrangement http://www.watchtower.org/e/19880415/article_01.htm
elder hierarchical structure is an arrangement Watchtower 1971 November 15 p.693