The Polarizing of America: Rep. Michele Bachmann wins Iowa Straw Poll

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  • NewChapter

    Designs, the history is there. Instead of learning from the mistakes, they choose to rewrite it. It all makes me very tired.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    So that crazy beeyotch "wins" the straw poll that DOESN'T COUNT FOR ANYTHING by LESS THAN ONE PERCENTAGE POINT and the pundits are falling all over themselves.

    And Dr. Ron Paul, who finished second, by LESS THAN ONE PERCENTAGE POINT is still not being taken as a serious contender by most of those same pundits.

    Am I understanding this correctly?

    What the hell is wrong with people?

  • sammielee24

    Thanks NC...I was hoping that lil Sam would come back and tell us why he made the statement. I knew the link to the MC but never took it further back - great information.

    I get tired of hearing of politicians and Christian values and yes, the fear should be that they will continue to push their view of personal religious values onto everyone. There is nothing wrong with a politician having his own religous point of view but remember the guns we used to kill others - I thought it was 'thou shall not kill'...especially important when self defense is not an issue. Religion and politics are inherently linked in the country and yet those that might demand a constitutional based country, refuse to separate the two themselves.

    To think that a politician's religous values will not drive their own agenda is nonsense - you have to wonder how many politicians put on their 'Christian' face to fool the public and get the vote because Americans are so determined to put their Christian values ahead of leading the country regardless of religous affiliation.



    U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

    By JOSEPH RHEE, TAHMAN BRADLEY and BRIAN ROSS (@brianross) Jan. 18, 2010

    Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the U.S. military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

    The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

    U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

    One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."


    Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

    Trijicon confirmed to that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

    'It violates the Constitution'
    The company's vision is described on its Web site: "Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom."

    "We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

    Spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both said their services were unaware of the biblical markings. They said officials were discussing what steps, if any, to take in the wake of the report. It is not known how many Trijicon sights are currently in use by the U.S. military.

    The biblical references appear in the same type font and size as the model numbers on the company's Advanced Combat Optical Guides, called the ACOG.

    A photo on a Department of Defense Web site shows Iraqi soldiers being trained by U.S. troops with a rifle equipped with the bible-coded sights.

    "It's wrong, it violates the Constitution, it violates a number of federal laws," said Michael "Mikey" Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group that seeks to preserve the separation of church and state in the military.

  • BizzyBee

    Then we have this hypocrisy to stomach:

    God Caught Backing Multiple GOP Candidates for President

    God could not be reached for comment by press time, because, a spokesman says, he was helping a baseball player hit a game-winning home run, giving an old churchgoing lady the winning lottery numbers, making sure that a plane made it through the turbulence okay, helping someone survive a heart attack, and also, just for fun, creating a new animal that's like a cross between a leopard and an alligator.

    God hasn't been universally generous with his support. He went out of his way to let Mike Huckabee know that he shouldn't run for president, lest he take his focus off the much more important task of producing a series of conservative American history DVDs. And though God arranged for Sarah Palin to be chosen as John McCain's running mate in 2008, there's nothing to indicate that he backs her potential candidacy in 2012. Nevertheless, the fact that God has privately encouraged the candidacies of three different Republicans may cause voters to question whether, in reality, he really even has any preference at all.

    Bachmann recently confirmed that she has, indeed, "had that calling and that tugging on my heart."

    God Caught Backing Multiple GOP Candidates for President

    Photo: Cain:Steve Pope/Getty; Santorum: Jeff Fusco/Getty Images; Bachmann: Darren McCollester/Getty Images; sky: iStockphoto

    After a thorough investigation, Daily Intel has discovered that God is separately backing at least three different contenders for the Republican presidential nomination. Over the course of the past few months and even years, God has sent signs and direct messages to each of these candidates encouraging them to run, presumably without telling them that he supports other candidates as well.

    Herman Cain: When Cain's granddaughter was born in 1999, Cain says his first thought upon holding her was, "What do I do to make this a better world?" Cain told Christian radio host Bryan Fischer in January, "I know that that had to be God almighty sending that thought through my mind." That's the background for what happened twelve years later. While campaigning for president around December of 2010, Cain was feeling tired and discouraged when he received a direct sign from God that he must continue. This sign was delivered via God's preferred method of communication, the text message:

    Cain has also heard from God more directly, as he told a tea party rally in April:

    Cain told the crowd about his battle with cancer in 2006, saying he's been "totally cancer free" for the past five years.

    "You want to know why? God said, 'Not yet Herman,'" Cain told the crowd. "God said, 'Not yet. I've got something else for you to do.' And it might be to become the president of the United States of America."

    Rick Santorum: But around the same time God was encouraging Herman Cain to run for president, he was also telling Rick Santorum to throw his hat in the race. As Karen Santorum told CBN's David Brody in May about her husband's decision to run for president, "It really boils down to God's will. What is it that God wants? ... We have prayed a lot about this decision, and we believe with all our hearts that this is what God wants."

    Michele Bachmann: Meanwhile, Michele Bachmann is all but certain to jump into the race soon, and when she does, it will signal that God has been quietly encouraging her to run for president as well. As Bachmann told World Net Daily in 2009, she would never run without God's personal endorsement:

    "If I felt that's what the Lord was calling me to do, I would do it," she answered. "When I have sensed that the Lord is calling me to do something, I've said yes to it. But I will not seek a higher office if God is not calling me to do it. That's really my standard.

    "If I am called to serve in that realm I would serve," she concluded, "but if I am not called, I wouldn't do it."

  • sammielee24

    and then we have -

    Bush: God told me to invade Iraq

    President 'revealed reasons for war in private meeting'

    By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

    Friday, 7 October 2005

    President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

    The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.

    The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

    And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

    Mr Abbas remembers how the US President told him he had a "moral and religious obligation" to act. The White House has refused to comment on what it terms a private conversation. But the BBC account is anything but implausible, given how throughout his presidency Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, has never hidden the importance of his faith.

    From the outset he has couched the "global war on terror" in quasi-religious terms, as a struggle between good and evil. Al-Qa'ida terrorists are routinely described as evil-doers. For Mr Bush, the invasion of Iraq has always been part of the struggle against terrorism, and he appears to see himself as the executor of the divine will.

    He told Bob Woodward - whose 2004 book, Plan of Attack, is the definitive account of the administration's road to war in Iraq - that after giving the order to invade in March 2003, he walked in the White House garden, praying "that our troops be safe, be protected by the Almighty". As he went into this critical period, he told Mr Woodward, "I was praying for strength to do the Lord's will.

    "I'm surely not going to justify war based upon God. Understand that. Nevertheless, in my case, I pray that I will be as good a messenger of His will as possible. And then of course, I pray for forgiveness."//snipped/The Independant

  • NewChapter

    Sammies--yes, very few ideas are new. They are just put together differently. Bachmann and her ilk can't accept that the founding fathers were, OH HORRORS, intellects that studied ancient philosophy.

    I realize that a person's religious beliefs will influence how they serve, but this goes beyond that. They seek to hold political office to advance their political agenda. The reason that loon Bachmann can stand on her soapbox and declare we should default is because her social agenda dwarfs all else. Beware of Rick Perry too:

  • BizzyBee

    Apparently God also told GW Bush to lie about WMDs.

    Yes, I do find the evangelical christian right as a power a frightening prospect. And they become so entangled with the GOP that the moderates in the party will have an uphill battle standing apart. All these loyalty oaths and pledges are designed to make sure moderates are hamstrung.

  • NewChapter

    In my opinion, loyalty oaths are halfway to treason. They hold adherence to their oaths above the good of the country. Signing a loyalty oath should immediately disqualify a candidate unless he or she rescinds. They are ridiculous. Talk about special interests! These deals are signed in blood. Morons.

    The moderates and libertarians should detach themselves from the loonie tunes. They aren't welcome in the GOP, and they could drop the perpetual desire to shower after such contact.


  • designs

    Well if God cured HERMAN CAIN that's all the proof I need, I ain't votin for no dad-burn Muslim/Liberal/Socialist/Kenyan again no sir ree

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I am a big time Dem since I sneaked out during high school to campaign for Eugene McCarthy. Obama had the best coordinated campaign I have ever seen. I gave money and spent many hours canvassing voters. The excitement was palpable. His campaign is sending me mass emails. I am so fed up I don't bother to even read them.

    Bachmann is the sort of person who could have me giving more and canvassing more. Mitt Romeny is not a great choice but I could live with it. Palin or Bachmann is absolute war.

    Dems are famous for electing Palin and Bachmann candidates who attract the extreme of their base but lose their base mainstream and independents.

    Clinton was the first candidate I supported who carried a general election. Winning was quite the exception and a very nice experience.

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