Who really is Michael the Archangel?

by theMadJW 309 Replies latest jw friends

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog


    My Question

    "If there's no flesh & blood in heaven, Did a spirit being come down?"
    Mad: Of course- and put into a human body.

    Wow, that was harder than pulling teeth.

    So if I understand you, your Jesus was a man with an angel's spirit inside of him? OK! That sounds like a dual nature to me. You know, an angel combined/indwelling a human host.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    So was he 100% man (Jesus) and 100% angel (Michael)?

  • theMadJW

    DD, you're making a FOOL of yourself!

    You're embarassing me- and believe ME- that ain't easy!

  • theMadJW

    WHO is the ONLY one like God? ("Michael")

    Who is the Leader of the Angels?

    Who was raised ABOVE them?

    Who is the Ultimate Messenger? ("Angel", "Word")

    Who speaks with the voice of Archgangel?

  • theMadJW

    Or lookin for something to CNP?

  • theMadJW

    I KNEW iut was too much to hope for!

  • theMadJW

    Some other related facts-

    Some of the early church fathers thought Michael was Jesus Christ .
    Martin Luther thought Jesus and Michael were the same person, Ireanous
    of the 2nd century thought that Jesus was Michael, Justin Martyer thought
    that Jesus was an "angel".
    Dan 12:1-2 shows Michael has authority over the "dead" waking up and in
    John 5:28-29 Jesus has authority over the dead rising.
    In Dan 12:1-2 it talks about 2 classes of dead rising up the good for and the
    bad for judgement just like at John 5:28-29.
    Michael is said to fight the Devil with "his" angels. Jesus is said to come to
    do battle with "his" angels.( Why would the bible say that Michael and "his"
    angels and not Michael and "the" angels if Michael had no authority over them?
    Micahel is called the great "Prince" and Jesus is call the "Prince of Peace".
    ( If Michael was a lesser prince would not the bible somehow distinguish the two ?
    The arguement that Michael refused to rebuke Satan over Moses body in Jude
    'proves' the two cannot be the same has no substance since Jesus told the mother
    that had two sons that sitting on the right hand of God is not for him to decide but
    God's decision.
    Jesus comes to reserrect to dead with an "archangel's" voice: why not a cherub's
    voice or God's voice if Jesus was not an angel?

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog


    You're embarassing me- and believe ME- that ain't easy!

    Is that because your not teaching the samething as the WT?

    I'm glad you're thinking for yourself. In fact you're the first JW I've ever met that actualy believes Jesus has a dual nature.

    Be careful designs thinks I'm trying to "convert" you.

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog


    How do you get around the WT's problem of a corresponding (1 to 1) sacrifice? If Jesus was more than just a man, the WT says the price/ransom for sin was too high.

  • designs

    Hey DD-

    Now there is a disengenuous statement. You who were never a Jehovah's Witness are here because ______________ .

    So you don't take Matthew 28:18-20 seriously ?

    You are not trying to save sinners and nonbelievers ?

    You believe the Witness beliefs are wrong are yours are either right or better so you debate and argue ?

    We, real xJWs, know why we are here......hmmm just curious.

  • Think About It
    Think About It

    Let me get this straight........DD has over 4000+ posts and has never been a JW? Why in the hell would a never-been want to hang around with a bunch of X-JW's? I've got a feeling Stephen never was a JW also. Seems like the time could be put to a better type of ministry. Maybe they are more social and funny in other threads. These debates are fun, but like I said before they are pointless.

    Think About It

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