I think some folks are struggling with the very very basic definitions of IDENTITY.
Unless you understand the nature of identity you can't approach thinking about such things as Jesus, angels, God and such.
To BE is to be SOMETHING.
What you AREN'T is important too. You are automatically NOT "other" when you ARE something.
The entire TRINITY doctrine is one of those muddles people get themselves into when they bring presuppositions to bear on the question of
Jesus dying words cried out for His Father to "forgive them". Why didn't Jesus simply utter, "I forgive you--you don't know what you are doing"?
Jesus was ASKING His Father to do something. Jesus himself was not doing that thing.
Bringing the Trinity into it certainly clarifies nothing. Never does!
Jesus and Angels is not really a fascinating subject by and large. But, because of the bible's ham-handed mention of various persons in certain contexts everybody has a right to be confused.
PEOPLE DON'T READ THE BIBLE. People read books OTHERS have written ABOUT the bible.
This is because the bible is not something understandable. You have to have a huge ego to begin to THINK THAT YOU understand.
that's my thought for the day.