Damage Control on Secret Societies

by alice.in.wonderland 103 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Yes, secrecy can be dangerous, both for individuals and for society as a whole.

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

    Where is the scriptural precedent for Elders to meet in secret to judge the guilt, innocence, or repentance of a member of the congregation?


  • bohm

    Alice - Whats the biblical basis for not being allowed to bring a tape recorder to your own judicial committee?

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    Ye gods!

    at first i thought alice had seen the light and was aware she/he/they were part of a secret society! but alas...

    funny how 'alice' can cut and paste the public watchtower spin on the nazi's and ignore the pro nazi germany letters and such... oh yes, thats not on the WT CD is it?


  • garyneal

    It may be that Charles Russell was a Freemason prior to his involvement with the WTS.

    As far as I can tell, Russell was not a freemason though he thought highly of them.

    Even if they were and Russell was once an occultist, I'm confident Charles Russell followed the example of the Jews and the Greeks in Ephesus after coming to an understanding of what the Bible teaches.


    So I suppose Russell's teachings of pyramidology was not of the occult. Sorry sweetie, but I am afraid Joseph "Judge" Rutherford and the current GB members of the Watchtower Society would disagree with you.

    Studies In The Scriptures

    Studies In The Scriptures

    Pyramidology and 1914

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Insight, Page245

    While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.

    Do I need to translate that into kindergarten English for you?

    Do you understand what it is saying?


  • alice.in.wonderland

    “funny how 'alice' can cut and paste the public watchtower spin on the nazi's”

    Feel free to cite your own opinion on the roots of anti-Semitism.

    Christians - Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox - Were Paving the Road to Auschwitz Centuries Before the Nazis

    1648-1649 Christians under the leadership of Bohdan Khelmnytsky rampaged through the towns and villages of Ukraine, Lithuania, Poland, Galicia, and White Russia, murdering and torturing an estimated 90,000-100,000 Jews, and destroying at least 100 Jewish communities. Dozens of synagogues are burned down. Jews are hanged from trees alongside pigs and dogs.

    In this century, the churches continue to preach that the Jews are guilty of deicide and are still being punished by God by not having their own homeland, and by being deprived of citizenship in the countries where they live. Churches continue to present public Passion plays, in which Jews are portrayed as the bloodthirsty killers of Jesus.

    The bogus saints Simon of Trent and Little Hugh of Norwich, bogus victims of cruel Jews, are still venerated. The filthy image of the Judensau still decorates churches and cathedrals. Pamphlets, broadsheets, and books continue to demonize Jews. Even though Jews have been mingling with non-Jews since ancient times, cartoons show them with stereotyped racial features, and as cruel and bloodthirsty.

    Most towns still compel Jews to live in ghettos. Most countries still bar Jews from most professions. Most universities still forbid Jewish students. Some towns still compel Jews to wear a badge of infamy. Most countries still forbid Jews from holding public office. Most guilds of craftsmen and artisans still exclude Jews. A few governments begin to grant the Jews some civil rights, but even some of the more enlightened European writers who have broken with the Church, like Rousseau and Voltaire repeat the usual slanders against the Jews.

    Unlike Jehovah's Witnesses:


    Jehovah's Witnesses: Persecution 1870-1936

    Initially, leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses sought to find a way to work with the Nazi government. In October 1934, the leadership sent a letter to the Reich government, explaining the Witnesses' core beliefs and their commitment to political neutrality. The letter stated that Jehovah's Witnesses "have no interest in political affairs, but are wholly devoted to God's Kingdom under Christ His King." German authorities responded with economic and political harassment. Witnesses who continued to missionize or who refused to participate in Nazi organizations lost their jobs and their unemployment and social welfare benefits, or were arrested.

    In response to Nazi efforts to destroy the group, Jehovah's Witnesses became an island of spiritual resistance to the Nazi demand for absolute German commitment to the state. The International Society of Jehovah's Witnesses fully and publicly supported the efforts of its brethren in Germany. At an international convention in Lucerne, Switzerland, in September 1936, Witness delegates from all over the world passed a resolution severely condemning the Nazi regime. The international organization also produced literature denouncing Nazi persecution of Jews, Communists, and Social Democrats, criticizing the remilitarization of Germany and the Nazification of its schools and universities, and attacking the Nazi assault on organized religion.

    The moral hypocrisy, lies and cynicism from some here toward Jehovah's Witnesses are so low and perverse you'd probably deny the Holocaust like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad if people would believe it.

  • mrsjones5

    The moral hypocrisy, lies and cynicism from some here toward Jehovah's Witnesses are so low and perverse you'd probably deny the Holocaust like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad if people would believe it.

    Keep digging that hole Alice.

  • mrsjones5

    I'm audi. Won't be reading anymore Alicehole threads since she's here only to preach the wt crap and offend board members. I got better things to do like remember and tell my kids about Ray.

  • SisoNoSiso

    AIW, seriously. If you think the WT is the posterchild for transparency, you need to wake up. Your posts are not only annoyingly cut and paste. They are clear evidence of your lack of depth in understanding what you're a part of.

    Wake up!

  • coffee_black

    Look closely at the cover of the Studies in the Scriptures. See the symbol...the winged sphere? Do you know what that symbol is? It is the Egyptian Sun God, Ra. Now ask yourself a question. Would Jesus, when examining the religions of the world, chose a group that had the symbol of another God, on the cover of the main teaching tool of that time?



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