Poor JW's like Reniaa think that JW's are God's "chosen ones" today. But as a "COLLECTIVE GROUP" (((THIS))) IS WT SOCIETY'S BABY: http://www1.tip.nl/%7Et661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm Yep, they own that baby FOR LIFE! Is all WT land's exclusively. Instead of God's channel exclusively, as JW's and Reniaa says, they are the owner of THAT SORRY LIST-- "EXCLUSIVELY"!!!!. BIF DIFFERENCE FOLKS. As a "COLLECTIVE GROUP" they met together and prayed over many things THAT PROVED BAD NEWS AND EMBARRASSMENTS AND EVEN CAUSED MANY JW'S ((((( TO DIE ))))). As a "COLLECTIVE GROUP" they had to DROP, REVERSE, CHANGE-UP ON AND APOLOGIZE FOR many sorry teachings and beliefs that should never have been forced on porr little JW's that blindly followed this same collective group. You see JW's as are spinning their wheeels in the mud all over again. Nobody buys this kind of nonsense that has all the facts about WT World. You see (as has been posted too many times to remember now) PEOPLE--(((INDIVIDUALLY)))-- do make mistakes. Even bible writers, apostles and prophets make personal mistakes. That's called life. But COLLECTIVELY--(AS A GROUP OF WRITINGS)-- many people say the bible writings are directed by God. The bible writers also say this about their writings. Which is why the bible is not just "some good book", and nothing more to most people today. But is instead followed and applied in life because many people say bible writers get things RIGHT ALL THE TIME. You see WT world also has individuals that make mistakes personally. I have no problems with this. Even GB members will fall very short. That's life again! But you see folks, here where there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between making mistakes personally, and then posting mistakes COLLECTIVELY AS A UNIFIED BODY : When the Governing Body meets ((((( COLLECTIVELY AS A BODY ))))--- AND THEN PRAYS TOGETHER FOR HOLY SPIRIT COLLECTIVELY AS A BODY --- STUDIES WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ON SPECIFIC ISSUES ( AS THIS SAME COLLECTIVE GROUP ) --- MAKES DECISIONS BASED ON THOSE PRAYERS AND THEIR BIBLE UNDERSTANDING AFTER MUCH THOUGHT, PRAYER TO GOD AND DELIBERATION AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP --- AND THEN (((PUBLISHES))) THOSE DECISIONS IN THEIR LITERATURE AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP --- THEN HAVE C.O.'S AND D.O.'S GIVE OUTLINES BASED ON THESE SAME DECISIONS AT MEETINGS, ASSEMBLIES AND CONVENTIONS PUSHING AND CLARIFYING THESE PUBLISHED TEACHINGS --- AND THEN HAVE RANK AND FILE JW'S (((BE FORCED TO APPLY))) ALL OF THESE NEW UNDERSTANDINGS AND JW TEACHINGS AT RISK OF JUDICIAL COUNSEL AND DISFELLOWSHIPPING . ONLY THEN TO BE PROVEN WRONG, BAD IDEAS, EMBARRASSMENTS; HAVE TO CHANGE THEM, DROP THEM, APOLOGIZE FOR THEM AND MORE ---- IT CLEARLY PROVES THAT GOD WAS NEVER BEHIND THESE IDEAS OR WITH THOSE THAT MADE THEM AND FORCED THEM AT ALL!!! The little JW's have lost on this thread once again. They all get embarrassed trying to defend all this WT humiliation. Take another LOOK: http://www1.tip.nl/%7Et661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm So folks let's all do a little math JW style! 1- According to JW's, "God's spirit" is with the JW's while they make decisions based on God's infallible word. 2- Those decisions are wrong again and again and again. Proving embarrassing mistakes for WT world, causing people to lose out on many things like buying homes, getting education, not having families, kids, pets, not being of 144,00, and more. Those decisions led by the same "God's spirit" also cause some JW's to (((DIE))) and to go (((TO PRISON))) for no reason for many years including RIGHT NOW. You see 1914 came and went. 1925 came and went. Beth Sarim (was huge WT embarrassment) and came and went. 1975 came and went. The generation of 1914 came and went. The 20th century came and went. Vaccinations stomped out polio, diptheria, tetanus, flu, cholera, measles, mumps, yellow fever, rubella and more. Organ transplants were never the same as "cannibalism" as Wt land stated and have saved or extended hundreds of thousands of lives. Many times dropped doctrinal understanding has been brought back. That aint not "light getting brighter" folks. That's called (((BLINKING LIGHTS))). You see this is why JW's like Reniaa are fighting a losing battle. The WT was never God's anything. One look at the whole picture proves this without a doubt to any rational mind. But change is tough for some. It is not easy to see the truth for some JW's. That WT land is not what they say about themselves. That there is NO PROOF ANYWHERE that supports God has been using WT Society. In fact there is a MOUNTAIN OF PROOF that God has never used them: http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part2.htm Deal with that pile for a while reniaa. For example: Was God's spirit with WT when they said Organ Transplants was a "conscience" matter in 1961? Was God"s spirit with WT when they then said organ transplants are same as "cannibalism" in 1967? Or was God's spirit with WT when they said Organ Transplants are NOT the same as cannibalism in 1980? Was God behind all those changes each time? Did (((GOD))) get all those things wrong each time? Did God cause folks ((((TO DIE)))) by listening to the WT Society as the voice of God? AND THIS IS JUST ONE THING!!! We can do this same song and dance THOUSANDS OF TIMES. Yet JW's have no answers except to say Vinny is lying, exaggerating, misrepresnting blah blah blah (with zero facts and arguments) AND THAT IS IT. And that would be because JW's CAN'T REPLY!!! Just try to throw some lame tag and label on EX-JW's That's how bad defending WT world has become. Just telling you how it is. Sorry Reniaa and JW's. But Watchtower is not God's anything. Vinny
