What Was The Very First Thing That Came Across Your Eyes That Lead You Down The Road To Doubt?

by Yizuman 94 Replies latest jw friends

  • yesidid

    The 1975 debacle was the very first.

    But I so wanted it to be the "truth" it took many more "flashes of light" before I quit.


  • aligot ripounsous
    aligot ripounsous

    May have not been the first element but the following story definitely shook my confidence in the WTS : a former (DFed) JW, Evald VORSTEHER, was arrested by the gestapo in 1934 because they had found at his place pamphlets against Hitler. As they almalgamated him with JWs, that moved a leader of the german WTS branch, DOLLINGER, to write to the nazy authorities that JWs had nothing to do with that nut who had insulted the Fuehrer, and that JWs were law abiding germans and that NEVER had the WTS stood in the way of the regime. Eye opener.

  • coffee_black

    I've been asked that question so many times that I composed the following, so I wouldn't have to keep writing it over and over. This pretty much describes my journey out of the borg.

    1: My dad died in 1978 of kidney failure. During his lengthy illness the subject of kidney transplant arose. My parents sought the advice of the society, and found that, according to the society, organ transplantation was “against Jehovah’s law”, and that it amounted to cannibalism. My dad did not have a transplant as a direct result of this reasoning. He remained on dialysis (which was not enough in his case) until his death. Two years later, the society changed their policy, and it became a matter of conscience as to whether or not to have a transplant.

    I cannot tell you the emotion I felt when reading the “questions from the readers” that was the vehicle for the policy change. Now, most JWs will say that …”well, he was faithful and he’ll be back in the new system.” The question is “who was he faithful to?” It wasn’t Jehovah that demanded that he abstain from a transplant. His death did not result from being faithful to Jehovah…and faithfulness to the instruction of an organization is not the basis by which one gains salvation. Further, my dad was 68 years old when he died, a relatively young man. No one can replace the years he lost… I have 2 children who would have loved to have had a grandfather. He would have enriched their lives immensely. Now, who claims responsibility for this? Was it Jehovah who made the mistake? No….Jehovah does not make mistakes. The society went “beyond what is written” with terrible consequences, consequences that they do not take responsibility for…or even apologize for.

    At that point, I was still very much “in” the organization, and I tried very hard to avoid thinking about it.

    2: When my son was about 7 years old, one of his friends from the congregation, an elder’s son came for a visit. They were outside playing when a little boy from the neighborhood wanted to join them. The elder’s son started screaming at the little boy telling him that Jehovah hated him….that he wasn’t one of Jehovah’s witnesses and that he was going to die at Armageddon. I heard the commotion and went outside to see the little boy in tears and my son trying to comfort him. I called the elder and asked him to come and get his son. Where does that kind of hatred come from? Any religion that teaches a child to hate is not only unchristian, it’s dangerous.

    Still in…trying to rationalize this as an isolated incident…

    3: When my daughter was 13, she was very observant, wise beyond her years. She saw things going on in the congregation that she knew were wrong. She asked me on several occasions “Where is the love….isn’t that supposed to be the identifying mark of the true religion? Well, where is it?” I had no answer for her because she was right. It wasn’t there. It wasn’t just one congregation either. We were in several in Florida. I have attended congregations from MA to CA to Fl. The most important identifying mark… and it is virtually absent….

    Still in, still trying to make excuses….

    Many many more issues arose over time, and I continued to push them to the back of my mind. It got awfully crowded back there….and finally after my divorce in 1990 I decided to assess my life, and examine all that I believed. It was a turning point for me.

    As a JW I had told countless people to examine their religion. I had never taken my own advice. I decided to do so. If it really was the truth, I would apply myself “whole-souled” If it wasn’t, it was time I knew. It was Fall, 1990. I was 38 years old.

    I have an extensive library of JW publications that goes back to the turn of the 20th century. I started at the beginning, and read continuously. It took nearly 2 years, and it broke my heart.

    The society claims that they were chosen to represent Jehovah in 1918-1919 (depending on which publication you reference.) They claim that they were chosen based on the fact that they, and they alone were teaching Bible truths. If they were truly chosen on that basis, why is it that the teachings of today have little if any resemblance to what they taught then? I know what they taught then, because I have read it from the original publications. Not the same teachings at all….not by any stretch of the imagination.

    The first really major books published by the society was the series “Studies in the Scriptures” The final volume was published in 1917, and was the most recent publication at the supposed time of their being chosen. I think every JW should have that book as required reading. It is filled with the craziest stuff I have ever read. And to add insult to injury, on the cover of this book (and all of the Studies in the Scriptures) is the symbol of the Egyptian sun God, Ra. Now I ask you, in examining the religions of the world, do you really think that Jehovah would choose a group that has the symbol of another god on the cover of their main teaching tool? And just what is it doing there to begin with?

    It got worse the more I read. Changing teachings…false prophecies… 1874…1914, 1918, 1925…on and on. The original calculation to get to the year 1914 was taken from the measurements of the “Great Pyramid of Giza” from something called the “Pyramid inch”….first written about by Charles Piazzi Smythe…a mystic. The “Ancient worthies” men like Abraham, Isaac & Jacob were supposed to be resurrected in 1925, and Judge Rutherford even had a mansion built for them, and deeded to them. It’s in San Diego, and it was sold in the early 40s after that prophecy failed. Did you know that Adam was the first Pharaoh…and he’s buried in the sphinx? Yup and Jehovah resides in the Pleadies…. On and on. No jw today believes any of this stuff, no thinking person would…but it’s the substance by which they were supposedly chosen by God.

    Ah, but you will say…we have new light!!! Look at Proverbs 4:18!! Please do, but this time read the whole chapter. This scripture does not teach “new light”. It is the story of a father teaching his son the best way to live his life… To sum it up: If you live a righteous life, you live an enlightened life. If you live a wicked life, you live in darkness. It has nothing to do with justifying changing teachings. Jehovah doesn’t change. Truth doesn’t change. There’s so much more… This doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface. It is truly a mess. There is literally nothing to trust!

    Since I have been out, I have found out even more. Here are just a few of the disturbing facts:

    * The society was part of the United Nations for 10 years until they were outed. (they were an NGO…non governmental organization) They teach that the UN is the wild beast spoken of in Revelation…yet they were an active member. Their reason? So they could use the UN library. That must be some library if they are willing to lie down with the beast in order to have access to it. In order to be an NGO, you have to support their charter and promote the UN agenda . Ever wonder why the society published some articles in the Awake that seemed to support the UN? Well that was to fulfill the UN requirements of NGOs.

    * The watchtower is a major stockholder in Rand Cam… a company that manufactures weapons of war. What are they doing trading in the stock market, anyway? Aren’t they a Non profit organization? How many shares of stock did Jesus own?

    * There is a huge problem with pedophiles in the organization. Statistically a bigger problem than in the Catholic church….and just as covered up. There are over 23,000 cases in the watchtower’s own files. There are numerous lawsuits going on across the country right now.

    There is documentation for every word I have said here…. And so much more, sorry to say.

    Ah, but they are imperfect men, you say. They’ve made mistakes that’s all. Ok, then why not judge all religions by the same standard.? They are also made up of imperfect men. The society condemns all other religions for doing things that they themselves are guilty of. Why a double standard?

    It would have been easier to ignore the evidence and stay. ..to bury my head and try to ignore the facts. It was all I ever knew…ever believed…and it crumbled before my eyes. My consciennce won’t allow me to remain part of that organization. Live up to their standards? No, it’s the other way around. They do not live up to my standards. And they definitely do not live up to Jehovah’s standards. Faithful and Discreet Slave? There is nothing faithful nor discreet about their record. They are not who they claim to be. Their history confirms this sad fact.


  • Heaven

    Yizuman ... excellent question! I had to think on that one as it has been a while.

    For me, it was the 4 pages for girls versus 2 paragraphs for boys in the "Your Youth" book (1976) on sexual responsibility. The JWs place the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the girls.

    One other event was my mother telling me that, after 15-16 years of adamantly supporting 'Creation', she felt that maybe there was something to evolution. Say What? I'm out!

  • homeschool

    Coffee_Black, Thank you for sharing all of that. Where is your proof? I am asking honestly because that was goooood stuff. I am embarrassed because I kinda did what the elder's son did....When I was 9, I told my neighbor across the street that she was going to die at Armageddon and her parents eyeballs were going to be rolling in the street. I wasnt saying it to be mean. I was just saying what I was taught

  • Free

    When one of the 144k told me that the 1975 abortion about the end was due to apostasy in the writing department.

  • purpleplus

    When I looked up Luke17:21 about the kingdom being "in your midst" in the kingdom interlinear bible, I was troubled. The word for word translation says "inside of you". It seemed like the verse was forced to fit the WBTS teachings. But there must be a good explanation for this right?

    Of course I pushed the doubt out of my mind but it was only a matter of time before the scales fell off my eyes.

  • ziddina

    " 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"... Good one, GaryBuss!

    Here's what first caught my eye, when I was about 7-8 years old - Exodus 19:16-19: "On the third day, when morning came, there was thunder and lightening, a thick cloud on the mountain, and a loud trumpet sound, so that all the people in the camp shuddered. Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. [REALLY, REALLY BAD IDEA!!] Mount Sinai was completely enveloped in smoke because the Lord came down on it in fire. Its smoke went up like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain shook violently. As the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him in the thunder." (Holman Christian Standard Bible)

    Y'know, if that volcanic eruption had just been a little, eensy, beensy bit bigger, with a pyroclastic flow, we probably would all be happy pagans frolicking in the fields with flowers in our hair today... Zid

  • purpleplus

    Coffee_black, the story about your father was INFURIATING. Oh my God!!!!! And the Society never appologizes for the lives that have been adversely affected or LOST due to the "old light".

  • survived75

    I knew it was strange even as a little kid raised in the "truth".I was on the road of doubt when I knew it was different from other peoples beliefs. It just felt "weird" not to be "part of the rest of the world".

    I would feel fear when someone asked me what I got for Christmas. The fear of being different. I didn't want to be different.

    The first thing that came across my eyes was "The Orwellian World Of J W's" It confirmed what I always felt. It lead me to "Crisis of C" and "30 years a Watchtower Slave". I felt free and happy after reading these 3 books. I finally knew that I was not "weird" for thinking the JW org was "weird".

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