Convictions or Reasons - which come first?

by nicolaou 97 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    snowbird,

    I don't give a rat's bummy about Pascal's wager, a priori, empirical, or confirmation bias.

    Why do I hear the sound of Galileo Galilei on trial here?

    HS

  • snowbird
    snowbird
  • sir82
    sir82

    ???

    OK, so Luke's geneaology is more comprehensive than Matthew's. I already knew that.

    The chart the link refers to does not address anything regarding the differnece between the 6000 years of literal Bible chronology, vs. the 10's of thousands of years that numerous lines of evidence indicate.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    ???

    OK, so Luke's geneaology is more comprehensive than Matthew's. I already knew that.

    The chart the link refers to does not address anything regarding the differnece between the 6000 years of literal Bible chronology, vs. the 10's of thousands of years that numerous lines of evidence indicate.

    You asked the questions below, did you not? The link I provided was where I got my information that the genealogy from Adam to Jesus proves nothing concerning human history. Not to worry, though. Franz made the same mistake!

    It does? Where in the Bible does it say that? Which generations are skipped? How do you know?

    Sylvia

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    Sylvia, I like you, but you are being intellectually dishonest.

    How so?

    Sylvia

  • sir82
    sir82

    The chart the link refers to does not address anything regarding the difference between the 6000 years of literal Bible chronology, vs. the 10's of thousands of years that numerous lines of evidence indicate.

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    The Bible doesn't say how long humans have been here

    It most certainly does. There is a listing of all the generations between Adam and Jesus, and by calculating the lifespan, times of rulership of Judean kings, etc., one comes up with a "date of creation" of the first man at around 4000 BC.

    There are numerous lines of evidence, archaeological, linguistic, genetic, etc., indicating that man has been around far longer than 6000 years. This directly contradicts the Bible's timeline.

    Hmmm...

    I think it's time for a coffee break.

    Sylvia

  • trevor
    trevor

    snowbird

    Earlier in this thread I said, 'Sorry to be boring but reaching any conclusion with you through logical debate is like trying to catch a dream in a bottle.

    I have worked it out now. Dreams are not meant to be kept in bottles they are for wine.

  • sir82
    sir82

    Hmmm...

    I think it's time for a coffee break.

    Sylvia

    Honest, I'm trying to understand! Help me out:

    Sir82: The Bible gives a complete genealogy, from Adam to Jesus. It does not allow for more than 6000 years of human history.

    Snowbird: Wrong - look at this website

    Website: A regurgitation of the Bible's genealogy...which does not not allow for than 6000 years of human history

    Sir82: I don't get it....the website reinforces my point, that the Bible purports to give a complete genealogy from Adam to Jesus. How does the website allow for "missing generations"? There's no extra-biblical gaps in the website's timeline.

    Snowbird: ?

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Sir82: Which generations are skipped? How do you know?

    This chart shows the genealogy of Jesus from Chronicles, Matthew and Luke, side by side.

    Genealogy of Jesus

    Matthew vs. Luke

    1 Chronicles 3

    Matthew 1

    Luke 3:23-38

    75. Adam

    74. Seth

    73. Enos

    72. Cainan

    71. Mahalaleel

    70. Jared

    69. Enoch

    68. Methuselah

    67. Lamech

    66. Noah

    65. Shem

    64. Arphaxad

    63. Salah

    62. Eber

    61. Peleg

    60. Reu

    59. Serug

    58. Nahor

    57. Terah

    41. Abraham

    56. Abraham

    40. Isaac

    55. Isaac

    39. Jacob

    54. Jacob

    38. Judah

    53. Judah

    37. Perez

    52. Perez

    36. Hezron

    51. Hezron

    35. Ram

    50. Ram

    34. Amminadab

    49. Amminadab

    33. Nahshon

    48. Nahshon

    32. Salmon

    47. Salmon

    31. Boaz

    46. Boaz

    30. Obed

    45. Obed

    29. Jesse

    44. Jesse

    28. David

    43. David

    Solomon

    27. Solomon

    42. Nathan

    Rehoboam

    26. Rehoboam

    41. Mattatha

    Abijah

    25. Abijah

    40. Menna

    Asa

    24. Asa

    39. Melea

    Jehoshaphat

    23. Jehoshaphat

    38. Eliakim

    Jehoram

    22. Jehoram

    37. Jonam

    Ahaziah

    Not listed

    36. Joseph

    Joash (Jehoash)

    Not listed

    35. Judah

    Amaziah

    Not listed

    34. Simeon

    Azariah

    21. Uzziah

    33. Levi

    Jotham

    20. Jotham

    32. Matthat

    Ahaz

    19. Ahaz

    31. Jorim

    Hezekiah

    18. Hezekiah

    30. Eliezer

    Manasseh

    17. Manasseh

    29. Joshua

    Amon

    16. Amon

    28. Er

    Josiah

    15. Josiah

    27. Elmadam

    Jehoiakim

    26. Cosam

    Jehoiachin (Same Person)

    14. Jeconiah

    25. Addi

    24. Melki (Melchi)

    23. Neri

    Shealtiel

    13. Shealtiel

    22. Shealtiel

    Zerubbabel (1 Chronicles 3:16 identifies Pedaiah as his father. The "Everybody in the Bible" book identifies both of them as his father???)

    12. Zerubbabel

    21. Zerubbabel

    11. Abiud

    20. Rhesa

    10. Eliakim

    19. Joanan

    9. Azor

    18. Joda

    8. Zadok

    17. Josech

    7. Akim

    16. Semein

    6. Eliud

    15. Mattathias

    5. Eleazar

    14. Maath

    13. Naggai

    12. Esli

    11. Nahum

    10. Amos

    9. Mattathias

    8. Joseph

    7. Jannai

    6. Melki (Melchi)

    5. Levi

    4. Matthan

    4. Matthat

    3. Jacob

    3. Heli

    2. Joseph

    2. Joseph

    1. Jesus

    1. Jesus

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