A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."

by Terry 384 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Perry

    Burn the ships is right.

    Vindication of his Holy Name

    Proving Gods Sovereignty

    The Ransom Sacrifice (as opposed to the substitutionary sascrifice)

    It is all baloney.....mis-direction. What God is doing is raising a super race from among the lowest of his reflections....fallen man. He is choosing and rasing The Elect. God has honored man by having the incarnation of himself, The Son exist eternally in a glorified human body....even now. The flesh that was subjected to vanity now contains deity. Believers will always be with the Lord, in the flesh... super flesh....glorified flesh.

    The Elect will be higher than the angels. They will judge the demons. They will reign with Christ over the conquored masses that are left over after the political/military battle of Amageddon. At the end of the Thousand Years the Elect will wage holy war on the devil. I have a special treat for the demons that I am assigned to for what they have done to my family..... all of our families.

    The battles that are raging since Christ are all about attacking the Elect.... "whosoever". The Wt is all about sleight of hand, changing the issue.

    The very creation that Satan sucker punched.... has a little surprise for him.... all to the praise of God the Father as he regathers all things into himself.

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    I just have one question, what drugs are you guys smoking and where can I buy some ?

    Said in a loving tone.

    Hey wouldn't it have been so much simpler for God to see Satan trying to tempt Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden and to kick him out of there ?

    I mean he is God after all and he knew Satan was nothing but trouble, if he did love mankind his own creation you would think he would have protected us .......ummmmmm.

    If he had done so, now thats the kind of God that I could support !

    Oh well I guess I can wait for another 6000 yrs. I've waited this long,

    I guess I'll just have to keep on buying Awake and Watchtower magazines to find out when he's going to fix the whole mess up .

    Obviously diligence is not one of God's virtues, procrastination unfortunately is.

  • R.Crusoe

    Effectively Perry you seem to be suggesting that babies are born unto a genetic lottery of suffering eternal damnation!

    A god of love??

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    I wonder what caused Satan to become a sinner, maybe there was a tree of knowledge up in heaven and he accidentally took a bite of one its fruits..........could be !

  • kerj2leev
    It is all baloney

    Totally agree!

  • Terry
    This selfsame "nature" which is 100% sin prone---is this what man uses to accept God's salvation?

    Of course not..... man would be right back to his vanity, taking credit for making some kind of wise decision. No, the depravity of man is total. Your spirit is useless....dead. Trying to approach God through your own method is vanity.

    Romans 8:

    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be . 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. .... 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God .

    Man cannot even utter the words "Save me".

    John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    What man can do is to ask God for his mercy, a new birth, the ability to say.... save me.

    Well, now you've gone and done it, Perry!

    You've put the final nail in the coffin of Justice.

    God only saves whom He leads by spirit. The saving and the leading originate from the same place as the condemnation! It is the WHIM of Him who condemns and who saves. It isn't based on behavior, nature, merit or compliance with law. It was all decided before anybody had a chance to behave/misbehave!

    You've let the "elect" out of the bag! The ghost of John Calvin is marching!

    There are persons who are vessals fit for destruction in their very making! In other words, God has willed it!

    Or, should I say, "God has whimmed it."?

    I'm more than certain you haven't even begun to consider the implications of this doctrine.

    It reminds me of gambling houses where the decks are stacked and the losers don't know the game is rigged. They play their hearts out and think the playing field fair--but, the shill wins every time!

    The elect are God's shills (in Perry's way of thinking.)

    They are called and chosen and the rest will go on losing no matter how hard their game or sincere their efforts because God has rigged the game.

    I hope you are proud of the God whom you worship.

    Why call it Justice? Wouldn't malfeasance be more accurate.

    John 3:16 means, in the final analysis, "For God so loved the world of pre-selected persons only (You May Have Already Won!) that He gave his only begotten Son....."


  • restrangled


    After reading all 10 pages, I believe you have asked an honest question. I also believe no one can answer it. We will all have to wait for God's answer. (that is if you believe in God)

    Human beings wrote the bible with their take on his personality, justice, injustice, etc. As humans it was their viewpoint and life experience.

    We base our beliefs or nonbelief on our own experience.

    To sum it up, your question may never be answered to your own satisfaction.

    Take care.


  • Terry

    Just curious.

    You have posted things that give the impression you don't even think God exists, yet you routinely unleash venomous words directed toward . . . what? Your imagination? My imagination? Someone else's? In what context, past, present, future, or omnichronistically?

    You often infer a knowledge of both the thought processes and the motives of a person you seem to variously greatly and intensely despise or disbelieve in completely. I think your inferred claim to such knowledge is highly suspect, given the composite of your posts on the subject, but that is only my opinion.

    I'd have thought I would have answered this enough times already, but, maybe not.

    God belief happened to me before I was intellectually able to question whether I wanted to accept the basis of it. It was pre-skepticism.

    So, the emotional kernal will always be rooted in the deepest part of my value system.

    Consequently, I must deal with it.

    Instead of ignoring all things religious and going on with my life--I'm perforce constantly dealing with religion/God/belief/faith as THE fundamental issue.

    I work in the religion section of the bookstore where I'm employed, for example. Most of my customers are theology students or rabid neophytes with intense hankerings and fulsome opinions.

    This is the elephant in my room, like it or not.

    What I struggle with is the CONTEXT of God.

    What can possibly be the relevence of a posited being who is invisible, quiet and who makes no personal interventions of the old-style anymore?

    Why, all we have to go on are the interminable "claims" of wide-eyed partisans with contradictory testimonies.

    There are more variations on the God theme than Bach ever dealt with using the well-tempered clavier.

    Which, if any, represents something believable, factual, ostensible and rational?

    This is my quest.

  • Terry


    After reading all 10 pages, I believe you have asked an honest question. I also believe no one can answer it. We will all have to wait for God's answer. (that is if you believe in God)

    It is honestly shocking that nobody can answer this!

    I mean, more fundamental than this you cannot get.

    John 3:16 is everywhere in the Christian consciousness.

    Here is what is missing: each Christian believer's brain has not participated!

    Since the core of God's plan of salvation is the most important issue facing humanity (according to Christians) it should be the most easily understood, reasoned about and explainable bedrock of the faith.

    JUSTICE is missing from God's love.

    God's "love" for mankind (motivating His desire to "save" man from the condemnation HE HIMSELF pronounced upon humanity) is illogical and not reconcilable with rational thought.

    In other words: somebody made it all up!

    The theology of the bible becomes meaningless without Salvation!

    Amazing. Simply amazing!

    Why does God even have to save mankind from God's own wrath? Senseless tautology.

  • restrangled

    LOL! this is the best explanation of religion I have ever read!

    There are more variations on the God theme than Bach ever dealt with using the well-tempered clavier.


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