WALL OF LOVE. Poem by DFed sibling of many, many years. Kleenex worthy.

by Open mind 83 Replies latest members private

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Thanks for all the kind thoughts so far.

    As for LovesDubs, well the truth hurts and I thank you calling it like you see it.

    As for this part:

    Suck it up...be a man. Look at what you guys are doing??? You are all over worrying about this damn recital where your kid is NOT participating in anything the least bit religious in a freaking BUILDING which is not itself anything but wood and cement...but you didnt worry about causing the death of the soul and heart of your brother?? And you are allowing your son to be raised in that same environment of hatred?

    I think I need to better explain my situation. If it was just me, (no wife, no kids) I'd be out the door right now. But how exactly do you propose that I "Suck it up....be a man" ? I value my immediate family way too much to just have a big blow up. The odds are very likely that it would end in divorce and a messy custody battle and me having much less effective influence on my family's cognitive dissonance.

    As for the whole recital thing, personally I could give a rat's a$$ about it being in a church. Maybe I didn't make that clear in my other posts. I've been asking for opinions on how to best play it in my overall strategy of gradually planting seeds of doubt & discontent in my family.

    Anyway, LovesDubs please don't get me wrong, I truly do thank you for your input and if you're up to discussing the recital thing more, we can do it by PM or on my recital thread, here:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/133797/1.ashx

    or here:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/134167/1.ashx

    More thoughts on the poem are greatly appreciated.

    Open Mind

  • freedomloverr
    freedomloverr

    great poem.

    pain and agony can be some of the most creative forces in our lives...

    I can only imagine that your brother is just as happy as you to have reunited this way. Your brother has a lot to offer you as far as advice and help as you learn to *re-live*. I hope you can reconnect with him.

    damn this cult. it's so awful what it has done to families.

  • delilah
    delilah

    Beautifully written, and painful to read. Too many memories. Thanx for sharing.

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate

    Hey, OM,

    Really loved the poem.

    Very touching and true.

    Is your family member who wrote that still in touch with you?

    BA- Just curious.

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Thanks to all for your additional kind thoughts.

    BA asked:

    "Is your family member who wrote that still in touch with you?"

    Yes. I'd like this thread to be a little bit of tribute to my brother if that's possible. So, if you're on the fence as to whether to chime in, please do.

    When I read this poem I was truly ripped wide open. I know I can never undo what has (or hasn't) been done, but I thought sharing this poem here was definitely the right thing to do.

    Freedom Lover said:

    "I can only imagine that your brother is just as happy as you to have reunited this way."

    There was a period of bitterness that he went through when he would have probably had a pretty hard time accepting me back. But, as the end of the poem shows, he was able to move past that and keep some love in his heart, waiting for the day when at least one of us would awaken. I'm so glad I have. I'm carefully, patiently working on my family.

    Open Mind

  • BFD
    BFD
    OM- I know I can never undo what has (or hasn't) been done,

    You can and you've already started by removing the brick from your side of the wall of love. It must have been nice to see his face there outside. And besides, I think that you may have cheated a little during the construction of the wall of love because you held back some of your love too, didn't you? Just like your brother did.

    Powerful stuff, openmind, thank you. Your sibling is very gifted.

    BFD

    PS- Maybe if you let your wife read this poem she will lighten up a little. How could she not? If not, and she insists that the boy not go, suggest that you guys host a recital at your house if that's feasable.

  • found-my-way
    found-my-way

    Absolutely beautiful...I have tears in my eyes....

    I will save that poem for myself personally, for I know I will need to read it again in the future...

    Thank you so much, Open Mind, for sharing it with us...I am deeply moved by it.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Seven years ago I helped to build a wall of love.
    Since then I have begun removing a few stones from my side of the wall.

    You asked me to look at this. It's really self sufficient. It isn't important what we think of it.
    (But thanks for sharing your brother's thoughts) This is him saying more than "I forgive my
    family for this." He is saying they were led astray by the men with books and ties, and he
    forgives that, but also that he assisted the building of the wall. While he takes down some
    of the bricks, he is patient with family on the inside. Art is subjective, the poem is art.
    Forget the "art" part and just be there for your brother. If you must be there in secret because
    of what the evil men in ties will do to you and your family, so be it, but don't let it be a
    secret to him. Tell him how sorry you are that years were wasted. I am going to take some
    of my own advice on that, and be there for some family members (that are non-JW, but still
    were held at some distance).

    Now, the rest of what you say:

    I think I need to better explain my situation. If it was just me, (no wife, no kids) I'd be out the door right now. But
    how exactly do you propose that I "Suck it up....be a man" ? I value my immediate family way too much to just have
    a big blow up. The odds are very likely that it would end in divorce and a messy custody battle and me having much
    less effective influence on my family's cognitive dissonance.

    This is a familiar cry. I would be out the door if it weren't for my mother. I feel that I can keep my wife even as
    I walk outside of the borg. I am not going to argue with you here. Every person knows his own situation. But
    I read the words of someone arguing with himself. You have got to make progress toward an exit. That is your
    dilemma. If I understand your situation right, you are still an elder, still actively preaching the message from the
    pulpit and (even if half-assed) from door-to-door. This is killing you, man.

    Find a way to get out of the elder business. Find a way to stop leaving poison at people's porches. You don't
    have to do it all at once. Confide in your brother, more than you have. Start making steps. I think you need
    more than baby steps, but even those would be better than saying "I have to remain here to help my family."

    I contemplated it, but couldn't do that. Once I read how the truth was really the "anti-truth" I couldn't fade fast
    enough. Even now, I contemplate a total disconnect from the WTS, but realize that just the quick fade has
    helped me find peace enough.

    A story (remember, you asked for my prospective). I have tried to maintain a strong bond with my wife as
    I awoke to the truth. I went through a paranoid phase where I was sure that the elders would get her to spy on
    me, and I still watch for that to happen. But I tried tearing down the religion, then refocused on just the relationship
    and wait for her to ask me about the religion. I have done more to wake her up by walking away from elder, service,
    and those meetings than any insider could ever do. If I had children, I would be worried that they might be in the
    shrinking minority that doesn't leave the borg at young adulthood, and I would take more actions toward the door.
    Again, I don't judge your situation. I sort of do an insider covert action with my mother because she's so deep into
    it. Maybe what you are doing is right for your situation. Still, you cry out. WHY?

    Today, my wife started talking about Bro. SO-and-SO still at Bethel, and Bro & Sis. Got-Pregnant-and-left-Bethel.
    After I asked who was reporting back to her about people we knew long ago, I asked if Bro. SO-and-SO was facing
    a lay-off or a reassignment to another area instead of Brooklyn. She asked me "Why?" I got up some courage and
    told her-
    "You know I get Google News alerts. Anything with 'Jehovah's Witnesses' in the story comes to my email. (That's
    all she knows for a fact, the rest- she assumes silently.) So, there's been alot happening in Brooklyn this year. It
    seems that the WTS settled 16 lawsuits over elders and the corporation's mishandling of child abuse cases. They
    paid out probably between 50 and 100 million dollars to admit no guilt, and keep their records sealed on these cases.
    (I explained the clergy privilege loss they had and how they had to open the books) Also, very recently, the WTS has
    been selling as many as six buildings in Brooklyn. I think they are moving out to Patterson."

    She said "Don't they have the right to settle cases without being guilty? What could they have done?"

    "Yeah, they could have settled to avoid bad publicity, but if they are God's representative, shouldn't they allow God
    to give them a victory with their day in court? Proclaim the message to kings and judges? Running away by
    legal manuevers just looks like the actions of a regular corporation instead of God's representative."

    We went back-and-forth on what would be the right thing to do, and finally I said (THIS IS WHERE I GET TO THE
    POINT ON HOW THIS APPLIES TO YOU) "When these things come to light, two elders interview the little girl or
    boy. Two guys just like me. You know how much child psychology and expert counseling training for children I have?
    NONE. So two guys like me ask little 8 year old Suzy, "How did Uncle Fred touch you? Exactly how, again? How
    often did this happen? Nobody else ever saw this? Mommy isn't putting words in your mouth, is she?" We ruin
    the little child before they could ever speak to a professional. Wouldn't they be better off turning this over to a
    professional to start with, making their case after the child gets what they need? No, they seek to protect the reputation
    of the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization first, and helping the victim is way down the list. Plus, when there aren't two
    witnesses, they let Uncle Fred continue to work with the children, and preach to families with children."

    There was more, but MY POINT- I could never have been so straightforward as an elder or active JW. I only got away
    with that because I am free to question them, but free to converse with my wife also. Search for that freedom. It's not
    me demanding it. It's you crying out.

  • RichieRich
    RichieRich

    Wow. Those words were so captivating... so true, so raw.

    And it speaks volumes... We, the shunned, have to forgive and forget if we ever hope to reunite.

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Thanks everyone again.

    Particularly OTWO, I really appreciate you taking the time to give me your perspective. And you raise some very good questions.

    BTW, re: my brother & I. We're totally reconnected by phone and will be having a face-to-face reunion very soon.

    I've been hitting the org harder & harder with my kids lately. Just last night my oldest daughter was asking me about why JWs can't take Karate, (as we were watching & discussing the Matrix ;-) ) I told her it was just a stupid man-made rule to try to maintain control. Then I segued right into the issues of power & control raised in the movie the Matrix.

    But, I realize that's just a baby step toward what you're asking me to consider. I know you're not "telling" me what to do and I appreciate that.

    Open Mind

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit