Revelation Climax, page 52, Kindly Respond

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  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Dear Readers of Revelation,

    I have been reminded that a simple question is more effective than an elaborate presentation. I have become very careful about what I say and how much I say to most people. Well, let's say I do try to weigh my words and not just blurt out what's at the front of my mind awaiting release from my mouth. When discussing points from JWD, I have found that even disfellowshiped persons can be very defensive of "Jehovah's Organization" and quite incredulous at what I tell them. I just returned from a discussion and presentation of Watchtower Art. I seemed to be striking nary a responsive chord until I asked, "What do you see here, grasping the scepter?" (to the left of the King Jesus Christ, hip-level, is an associate king's _ _ _ _ holding the scepter) I will only say at this point that the predominate question asked, after gasps of recognition, was "WHY?" I apologize in advance for any offense my question---"what do you, Dear JWD member, see here?"---causes. But as a seller of an extremely popular form of art, I am accustomed to explaining what is happening "below the surface" and answering the usual questions that follow. Watchtower art has been described as very clever. "Clever" is the most innocuous word that I have ever seen used regarding anything Watchtower-related.

    Please refer to page 52, REVELATION---ITS GRAND CLIMAX AT HAND!

    Not clever by half,


  • Gill

    Sorry CC!

    You're going to have to spell this out to me because I'm looking at the picture, and what am I looking at?

  • TopHat

    Please refer to page 52, REVELATION---ITS GRAND CLIMAX AT HAND!

    Can you scan a copy ot the picture and add it to the thread...I don't have the book...

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Dear Gill,

    What do you notice about the associate king's left "hand"? (at the scepter's center) People do or don't see things the same way. This was the only item that all agreed on.



  • Elsewhere

    I'm not sure what the point is you are trying to make.... here is the text from page 52. Please point out what you are interested in.

    Revelation Climax Book, Chapter.10pp.51-52pars.15-18Abhorringthe"DeepThingsofSatan"

    15 Jesus’ next words bring comfort: “However, I say to the rest of you who are in Thyatira, all those who do not have this teaching, the very ones who did not get to know the ‘deep things of Satan,’ as they say: I am not putting upon you any other burden. Just the same, hold fast what you have until I come.” (Revelation 2:24, 25) There are faithful souls in Thyatira who have not been influenced by Jezebel. Similarly, for 40 years prior to 1918 and since then, not all professing Christians have tolerated the immoral, corrupt ways that are so rampant in Christendom. The small band of Bible Students, now known as Jehovah’s Witnesses, that tried to help church members see the un-Christian origin of many of Christendom’s doctrines, has moved to rid itself of all Babylonish beliefs and practices received through apostate Christendom. This includes the permissive teaching of “that woman Jezebel.”

    16 The John class today have also encouraged their companions, the great crowd, to beware of immoral influences, such as those in the debased world of entertainment. There is no need to view or experience corruption out of curiosity or in order to learn what to avoid. It is the course of wisdom to keep far away from the “deep things of Satan.” As Jesus says: “I am not putting upon you any other burden.” This reminds us of the decree of the Christian governing body of the first century: “The holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper.” (Acts 15:28, 29) For spiritual prosperity, avoid false religion, misuse of blood (as in blood transfusions), and immorality! And your physical health will likely be protected too.

    17 Satan has other “deep things” today, such as complicated speculations and philosophies that flatter the intellect. In addition to permissive, immoral reasonings, these include spiritism and the theory of evolution. How does the all-wise Creator regard these “deep things”? The apostle Paul quotes him as saying: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise ones.” In contrast thereto, “the deep things of God” are simple, lucid, and heartwarming. Wise Christians shun the “deep things” of Satan’s sophisticated world. Remember, “the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.”—1 Corinthians 1:19, Kingdom Interlinear; 2:10; 1 John 2:17.

    18 To those Christians in Thyatira, Jesus now speaks heartwarming words. They also encourage anointed Christians today: “And to him that conquers and observes my deeds down to the end I will give authority over the nations, and he shall shepherd the people with an iron rod so that they will be broken to pieces like clay vessels, the same as I have received from my Father.” (Revelation 2:26, 27) Indeed a wonderful privilege! This authority that anointed conquerors receive at their resurrection is a sharing with Jesus in wielding the “iron rod” of destruction against the rebellious nations at Armageddon. At best, the nuclear firepower of those nations will sputter like a wet firecracker when Christ dashes his enemies to pieces as he would vessels of clay.—Psalm 2:8, 9; Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-13, 15.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Dear Top Hat:

    I'm sorry that I cannot scan the page, as I have no scanner. I hope somehow you can locate a copy. So many of the WT books got the 451 Fahrenheit treatment. Thank you for responding. CoCo

    Dear Elsewhere:

    Thank you for the scan of the context. Does your copy have an illustration at top of a heavenly Jesus et al with pottery-smashing scepters in hand? My concern is in the artistic detail that can be easily overlooked due to interest centered upon the text. Sorry for any confusion. Thank you for your reply. CoCo

  • fleaman uk
    fleaman uk

    I think this is one of those crazy subliminal image theories.

  • blondie

    The newer books are always easily available.

    is a good site; copies are under $3.

    Use Revelation for title and Watchtower for publisher

  • Scatteredsheep

    It looks more like a claw than a hand to me, but why would that be clever?

  • acadian

    It's a claw hand above a normal hand, there's no mistake it's weird.

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