10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Is Wrong (page 6)

silentWatcher

Imagine if you died and the person you loved most in the world was left with nothing, while your greedy relatives squabbled over your belongings.

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hey, joking aside (like my last post), this is why having a WILL is the most important thing a person can do. And, it can mitigate a great deal of problems (for both straight and gay people).

Qcmbr

Right - now that I'm home from work and can answer with less brevity. These are responses to what I think these terms are and it'll be clear where I diverge from most people.

I believe society has blurred the roles of marriage and living together so that marriage is no more than a fun tradition. To most couples marriage is a notional commitment, lavish party and a piece of paper that all too often ends in another piece of paper, divorce. I think of marriage as an agreement to raise children and make an eternal commitment before God.

What is marriage: - The public binding religious agreement between two people to get together and raise a family unit - to all intents and purposes their own biological children and to maintain each other to the end of their lives. I don't expect most to believe my next belief but for what it's worth I also believe families are potentially an eternal unit.

What is civil union: - A public agreement between two individuals to be legally entwined. Unless stated in any vows exchanged their is no recognition of a permanent relationship till death.

What is co-habiting: - A private agreement between two people to ignore religious concepts of marriage and make no formal commitment to each other accepting instead the word of one another as binding - no vows are exchanged in general.

When we compare the two sides religious v secular the differences become clearer and I aquiese - we are no longer a christian nation. Below is a semi-tongue in cheek summation of the differences between my view of an idealised religious society views on marriage and those that I see paraded on my TV screens and in the conversations of many people today.

The laws of Judao-Christian religion:

Adultery is unacceptable, marriage was the place to have children and children are expected when people get married (the law of Moses recognised the right of a woman to have children and so perscribed the law of kin marriage upon the death of the husband,) both partners in the relationship honour and respect each other practising utter fidelity, integrity and loyalty. Marriage unites family lines, ensures the continuance of the greater family unit (providing further support and protection for each other.)God is a required partner in marriage (children come from God, teachings of morality, humility, sacrifice, respect and nobility are all the meat of the gospel.) Marriage is more than two people loving each other - it is a tacit agreement to have children, provide for parents and take responsibility for one's spouse happiness. Marriage requires utter dependece upon each other.

The laws of modern secular western society:

Fidelity is a nice to have but not required(we'll put pornography everywhere and make everyone think that its not being unfaithful - its just a picture), beating up your spouse is a sad truth but we'll make violence an acceptable expression of manliness in our TV shows, walking out on your responsibilities, abortion, the unholy trinity of modern love(lust/fairytale/show), sex is between consenting adults not married people, the government is a required partner in marriage (tax credits, child support payments, what your child will be taught , how your child will (not) be disciplined, legal warfare of divorce lawyers and pre-nup agreements), marriage is a legal engagement that confers legal rights to hospital decisions, pensions and enhanced adoption rights. The traditional family is not required it is outdated and too exclusive. Family now is multi-partner (heck the more fathers involved teh more support payments we can get), any sex, single parent if needs be, planned (abortion if the commodity child is inconvenient) to exlude and avoid children, corporate scam (yes women - we've made it so to buy the house you used to be able to afford on one income you now need to both work for - after all who wants to stay at home and play house!), parents are care home fodder (we're at work buying the house - we can't look after them - anyway they smell) and extended family don't play a role (except to make sandwiches at the reunion.) Marriage requires two absolutely self-supporting individuals to make a tactical agreement to share finances and sex(well technically you must have sex before your married just in case you aren't happy with it and after all love is sex). Selfishness is required (you are worth it), counsellors will be on hand to discuss your rotten childhood and absolve you of any responsibility for your life.

Kid-A your examples are ones I will stand with you on and utterly agree - marriage without true love is hell, violence is unacceptable. Bad examples do not diminsh the potential for marriages with loving partners to be glorious places for children to live and be loved.

I do not think that gays are any different from straight people in their ability to love or function in all aspects of live however, they cannot have their own biological children, they have to have someone else's and as such are playing the role of adoptive fathers OR mothers - they cannot by definition be father and mother these are gender specific roles. Married couples who cannot have children or through other circumstances have children from previous marriages or adopt can provide both roles. I am equally against single parent families (as a lifestyle choice) ,abusive parents and marriages which set out with a shared goal not to have children.

What constitutes a mother and father are another thread altogether.

I do not hate gays but I do hate the lifestyle just as many 'hate' my lifestyle but would be quite happy to spend time with me. I have a best friend who is gay ,I make a distinction between the individual and behaviours I don't agree with and don't bundle them up together - that is the gift of enlightened society to me - not permisiveness.

Swan

I do not hate gays but I do hate the lifestyle just as many 'hate' my lifestyle but would be quite happy to spend time with me. I have a best friend who is gay ,I make a distinction between the individual and behaviours I don't agree with and don't bundle them up together - that is the gift of enlightened society to me - not permisiveness.

Wow! Isn't he/she lucky to have a friend like you?

Tammy

Qcmbr

That was intelligent swan

Apollyon

;I'm sorry, I seem to have overloaded you with my questions. I'm sorry, too, that you don't seem to want to have a real discussion. But, I'll try one last time...please answer this one simple question...if you can.

Overloaded with your questions not at all. I think I answered al your questions that pertained to this converation.

I notice you havnt asked for the proof about books being placed in the hands of our kids is it you just dont care,dont want to know or are you more interested in my sexual preference ?

Rabbit asked you:

Serious question: How do you know ;you aren't homosexual ? Really, give me reasons...I'm trying to understand something

However I will answer ....aside from my religiose beliefs moral convictions and a lack of sexual desire to be with a man.....I cant think of a thing. Serious question: How do you know you are homosexual ? Please let me know I'm trying to understand you..... Let me know If you want the proof I have some from the state of TX.

Sunnygal41

Apollyon, your asshole level is showing..........better cover it up before someone accidentally "buggers" you.........I'm just not in the mood to be polite to jerks like you tonite. And, no, I'm not gay...........although, I suspect I might be open minded......... edited to add that I almost fainted when I found that I actually agree with FD for once!! LOL!

Apollyon

Apollyon, your asshole level is showing..........better cover it up before someone accidentally "buggers" you.........I'm just not in the mood to be polite to jerks like you tonite. And, no, I'm not gay...........although, I suspect I might be open minded......... ; edited to add that I almost fainted when I found that I actually agree with FD for once!! LOL!

sunnygall I really dont give a shit about your mood tonite or any other nite you might want to ckeck that PMS.......

tetrapod.sapien

the only problem i have with gay marriage, is that the institution of marriage is an unrealistic set up in the first place, spawned from an ignorant period in our dark history.

i don't know why gay people would want to step backwards for something like that?

you know? it's like saying: "hi. i'm a gay xian."

wha tha fa?!

- it doesn't make sense. their God hates you. why put yourself through that? for tax breaks? get real. change the world.

ts

Shining One

Tetly,
Can you really be that daft? Every great civilization in history has fallen when moral decay became widespread and family units were no longer cohesive. Yep, the Romans too. Late in their existence they encouraged homosxual relations between troops figuring they would bond better and make better soldiers. The primary result was wholesale retreat in battle. No, don't accuse me of being homophobe, look it up in the history books you seem to have avoided while going through primary school!
Rex

chuckie77

Shining One,

When the Roman soldiers "turned" gay they were probably not all that interested in fighting and preferred to go for latte's and a facial. KIDDING!! IM JUST KIDDING!

10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Is Wrong

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