Do you still believe?

by Chimene 154 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • gumby
    I believe in Sixy......cuz I've talked to him.

    So.....I got to ride in his 4x4 when I went to Dallas one year and got to sit right next to him......beat that dammit! Gumby...........* who was so drunk at that time he barely remembers*

  • JamesThomas


    I have read them and reread them, like the ones on this thread. But for the life of me I can't fathom what you are saying. I'd like to but for whatever reason I just can't connect. Am I alone in feeling that way?

    Poppers answer to you was so very beautifully expressed, that i could only muck it up. So I'll just share my general feeling on your seeming dilemma.

    You're not alone. It took me years of study and beating my head against the wall before there was a glimpse of our foundational reality. But it doesn't have to be that way.

    Because it is what we really are right now, awakening to our true identity can happen with little effort, but generally, from what I have experienced and seen in others, there can be a considerable time period involved. Not to worry. That your interest has been piqued, and you have a sincere desire to discover the truth of your being and existence, means you are ready and open to see.

    There seems to be a lot of energy tied up in the individual-entity we believe ourselves to be; our entire "reality" is built around it. Yet, ultimately none of the of the story and perspective from the point of a separate and isolated person, is true. Often times, before there is clear realization of the false nature of the believed-self, inherent dynamics of self preservation kick in. The warm and familiar little "me", does not want to die; and there is great fear of the unknown (this is not bad or wrong, it's just the way it often is. It helps to see it and be gentle and kind around it.)

    What is reading this now, what we truly are, is unknowable, as objective things are known. Our truth is too huge and vast to be intellectually understood or grasp. This is why our actual reality can never be spoken....what you actually are can never ever be contained in names, words, beliefs, or concepts. But it can be lived, as it is that which gives life to all life.

    It helps to understand that what we are after here, is our real actuality already. It does not have to be earned. There is no one that needs to evolve to it or somehow get from point A, to point B. It, is every ones and everything's living TRUTH, right now. It just needs to be seen is all. So, don't judge yourself for not seeing it. Don't create any more drama and story around it. Be still.

    I have found that animals and nature are exquisite guides and teachers on being silently present and void of fictitious story and false identity. Really, when there is a sincere and earnest desire to realise the foundational truth of being, the entire universe helps out; because, as you will come to see, no thing, is really separate from you...nor you from it.

    As far as written help (those with an exceptional loving presence that points to what you really are) I suggest: Eckhart Tolle, Adyashanti, Gangaji and Nisargaddata. However, they are only an expression of the one true guide, the reality and actuality of your true Identity and existence. You, are what you seek; and in the end it is you who guides you back to strange as that may seem.


  • schne_belly

    Yes, I do believe in God. Since leaving the Watchtower, I feel even closer to him than I did before. I am now allowed to worship him on my own. It's a comforting feeling.

  • anewme

    I will always believe there is a creator.

    As far as religion goes though, there is nothing stopping any of us from starting our own publishing company and religion. I believe that is how they all started. Someone got the freak to lead others around religiously.

  • LittleToe

    Defensive? You must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shyte. I just couldn't help but spot the irony

  • Chimene
    Yes, I do believe in God. Since leaving the Watchtower, I feel even closer to him than I did before. I am now allowed to worship him on my own. It's a comforting feeling.

    I hear ya!

  • startingover


    I'm going to take your suggestion to be still and take a look at the writers you mentioned. Thanks

  • Krystal

    When I left the org, I began to look more critically at the bible as a whole not just the interpretation of JW's.

    So far I have not found any solid proof that the bible is inspired of god. As such I have lost faith entirely in the concept of "God" and "Jesus" in the traditional Christian sense.

    However, I do believe in "higher power" who I refer to as the goddess. I have since come to some much more logical conclusions about our purpose in life; developped a reasonable set of morals; and have become much more in-tune with myself, my surroundings and the people around me. I feel I have become a much more peaceful person after shedding biblical belifes.

  • SixofNine

    Dammit James Thomas Budapest the III! The kids have been cooped up on this discussion board for days now, and I told them they could run around. Would you please stop under-mining me by telling them to just "be still"????

  • love2Bworldly

    I don't know what I believe anymore. It took me many years to realize the JWs were full of bull poop, and I've been to various churches since my exit. The church I used to go to made the most sense, it was "Church of Christ" and they taught metaphysical stuff and reincarnation. They taught that Jesus was a great and unique man/or god, but so was Buddah, Allah etc etc. They taught that thinking positive thoughts can improve your life and things along those lines. I'm thinking of going back, but haven't done so yet.

    It's getting harder and harder for me to take the Bible literally. I have such a hard time comprehending all the terrible fates wonderful people in the world suffer, while evil people get away with so much madness and evil.

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