a friend in need

by OldSoul 604 Replies latest members private

  • OldSoul
    OldSoul

    Although I realize I have no authority here over what anyone chooses to do, I would personally appreciate consideration in leaving this thread free for a discussion between a friend in need and myself. If anyone would like to add their support for this thread being used for strictly this purpose or if the forum assistants need to smack my wrist for making such an asinine request, please feel free to post such comments.

    Respectfully .. to hopefull OldSoul .. If you are in good standing, you know the answers ... why are you asking me? Do you just want to debate?

    No, I do not just want to debate. You are correct, I know the answers. That I know the answers would be obvious to anyone from the knowledge it took to frame the request. I did not ask you for the answers. I asked you for purely scriptural proof of the answers. I know I will not find such scriptural proof at watchtower.org since countless hours of scouring the Watchtower Library CD-ROM for scriptural proofs yielded no results and I was accused of apostate thinking when I asked for scriptural proofs from the local body.

    So, in answer to your question, no, I do not just want to debate. Do you just want to duck, dodge, weave, and express doubts about my motives to escape the request? I do not ask to be argumentative, I ask because that is the impression you are giving me.

    Respectfully,
    OldSoul

  • OldSoul
    OldSoul

    A friend in need, I am curious. Hopefully, you still believe that the Bible should interpret itself, right? Would you be willing to post here or Private Message me with scriptural proofs that (1) the Faithful and Discreet Slave is a class of people, (2) that the holy spirit directs organizations in addition to individuals, (3) that the Faithful and Discreet Slave is responsible for revealing "new light" (as opposed to "food at the proper time") to anyone, and finally (4) that Jehovah deals with individual other sheep differently than the little flock.

    These are basic foundations upon which all adherence to organizational directives hinge. These should be easily provable from the Scriptures alone, if they are indeed scriptural teachings.

    I await your considered answers. Mind you, the Scriptures should interpret themselves so I don't want a human's thinking on it.

    Respectfully,
    OldSoul

  • OldSoul
    OldSoul

    bttt

  • a friend in need
    a friend in need

    Respectfully .. OldSoul ... You can call it ducking, dodging or weaving. I think I made the point that you can go to www.watchtower.org for your answers. If you don't find them there and no one at your cong. will answer ... they obviously are considering you apostate. I have no intention of debating with you and feel (again) no responsibility to address any of your points. You asked the questions ... don't try putting the onus on me. As I said, I was giving Jud direction .. pure and simple.

  • jaredg
    jaredg

    my name is jaredg and i support this thread....but i am a bit intrigued as to the subject. a breif summary would be appriciated

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    OldSoul

    ... ... I too support this thread as it questionnes basic missunderstanding in JWLAND ... Means that it doesn't only concerne "a friend in need" ... and moreover because OldSoul; I feel like you actually can lead this topic a + with every others participation (and I'll read it for sure).

    a friend in need

    Respectfully .. OldSoul ... You can call it ducking, dodging or weaving. I think I made the point that you can go to www.watchtower.org for your answers. If you don't find them there and no one at your cong. will answer ... they obviously are considering you apostate. I have no intention of debating with you and feel (again) no responsibility to address any of your points. You asked the questions ... don't try putting the onus on me. As I said, I was giving Jud direction .. pure and simple.

    Your right ...
    it just doesn't help you ... (if your answer is that you find every material that makes you feel right in on WTBS website.

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    Your right ...
    it just doesn't help you ... (if your answer is that you find every material that makes you feel right in on WTBS website.

    I mean if you can't debate about it (in a way or an other) without this unique argument WHAT DID YOU UNDERSTAND IN WHAT YOU ARE BELIEVING IN and SUPPORT !

  • OldSoul
    OldSoul

    No one considers me an apostate. As you know full well, if you actually have permission to post here, there is a wide gulf between someone who is expressing apostate thinking and someone who is considered an apostate.

    I am saddened, rather than surprised, that your decision reinforces claims made that knowledgable Witnesses outside the home congregation feel no compulsion to assist in correcting the thinking or strengthening the understanding of any erring one. I requested scriptures. Not debate, not answers, only scriptures. Are you as incapable as I was of finding scriptures to prove these answers true?

    Again, you encourage me to go to watchtower.org, but you refuse to cite scriptures. Which is your confidence and the confidence of Jehovah's Witnesses in general based on, The Watchtower or the Bible? I invite you to prove your basis for belief scripturally. I do not seat myself in the seat of Moses. I do not place an onus on you to do so, the Bible does - directly and repeatedly.

    Philippians 1:8-11 8For God is my witness of how I am yearning for all of YOU in such tender affection as Christ Jesus has. 9 And this is what I continue praying, that YOUR love may abound yet more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment; 10 that YOU may make sure of the more important things, so that YOU may be flawless and not be stumbling others up to the day of Christ, 11 and may be filled with righteous fruit, which is through Jesus Christ, to God?s glory and praise.

    2 Corinthians 13:5-6 5 Keep testing whether YOU are in the faith, keep proving what YOU yourselves are. Or do YOU not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with YOU? Unless YOU are disapproved. 6 I truly hope YOU will come to know we are not disapproved.

    Acts 17:10-11 10 Immediately by night the brothers sent both Paul and Silas out to Be·roe´a, and these, upon arriving, went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni´ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.

    Romans 12:1-2 12 Consequently I entreat YOU by the compassions of God, brothers, to present YOUR bodies a sacrifice living, holy, acceptable to God, a sacred service with YOUR power of reason. 2 And quit being fashioned after this system of things, but be transformed by making YOUR mind over, that YOU may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

    Colossians 4:5-6 5 Go on walking in wisdom toward those on the outside, buying out the opportune time for yourselves. 6 Let YOUR utterance be always with graciousness, seasoned with salt, so as to know how YOU ought to give an answer to each one.

    1 Peter 3:13-15 13 Indeed, who is the man that will harm YOU if YOU become zealous for what is good? 14 But even if YOU should suffer for the sake of righteousness, YOU are happy. However, the object of their fear do not YOU fear, neither become agitated. 15 But sanctify the Christ as Lord in YOUR hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.

    Is the only path (Psalm 119:105) to such understanding by listening to the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses? If so, then do you freely admit that these answers are not based on the Bible? I accord you respect and consideration that you do not repay in kind. Let Jehovah judge between us which is actually trying to be like his Son. I would still like to have someone, anyone, show me scriptural proofs for these answers.

    So, if you must have it presented this way to justify your response, I am someone. Someone who is a part of everyone. And I am demanding a scriptural reason for these answers. Do you deny that you have that responsibility? If so, on what basis? Your instructions from on high? What instruction could possibly supplant the Bible's direct instruction, in your estimation?

    Respectfully,
    OldSoul

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    Also don't get me wrong : this doesn't mean anyone thinks that you are dumb or whatever (a friend in need or whoever) the fact is that most of us have been conditionned/brainwashed to get there ... debating can help you / and did helped us to deprogramming ourselves.

    Anyway I can understand that it's not easy and takes (more than balls) to get into a debate against most of the people here on the forum (I understand you anyway) I just hope that you'll get on day into really questionning what the WTBS teached you !

  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    Not debate, not answers, scriptures. Are you as incapable as I was of finding scriptures to prove these answers?

    just do it man / or anyone ! what do you have to lose ?

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