Elders/ex-Elders, is lying to achieve a JC okay?

by AuldSoul 101 Replies latest members private

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  LittleToe

  Gotta agree with Min, on that last post. They won't play to your rules because they own the deck and the house always wins.

  In the case of my sister, she hadn't been going to meetings for about three or more years. They suddenly decided that it would be okay to pursue the case because five years hadn't elapsed (like they needed an excuse ). Their rules are as arbitary as they wish.

  Even though she now lived over two hundred miles away in Glasgow, rather than the local island, and had absolutely no contact with any congregation of JWs, they still decided to "clean the congregation" by DF'ing her in absentia.
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  AuldSoul

  minimus: You seem green with the methods used by the Society and elders. Remember, these are the Society's agents. They will do whatever mother tells them to do.

  No joke. I am green. I said so in my first post on this thread. I am flying blind on their unwritten procedures, even though I have read their manual. It seems like there is an assumption that everyone understands the euphemistic references to what would constitute legal submission to their authority. I have been asking for details. Information arms people. I just happened to make the connection on going to the hall.

  AuldSoul
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  LittleToe

  The difficulty of being armed with information is that if your opponent isn't similarly armed he will recourse to fair means or foul.

  To paraphrse Judge Dredd - "They are the law!"

  It's analogous to attempting to reason from the bible with a ten-ton truck heading your way out-of-control. Sure, you might dent it a little, but you are unlikely to have your initially desired effect.

  That having been said, you're immortal, so why not give it a shot?
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  TheListener

  imho, you don't need to submit to their authority in order for them to df you.

  Like LTs story bears out. If the body has a bone to pick with you, be it 1 month of irregularity or 10 years of complete and total inactivity, they will pick the bone (or is that scratch the itch). Again, it's all dependent on the body.

  The beauty of the new announcement is that they can throw you out of their club anytme they wish and for pretty much anything they want. Sure if it's totally capricious an appeal may work, but then they'll get you some other way. All they have to tell the friends (whether from the platform or just one-on-one in everyday conversation) is that you don't seem to consider yourself a witness anymore. Boom - you're done.

  I'll admit that everytime I heard of dealt with someone who DAd I thought they were angry and trying to make a statement. I discounted almost everything they said because I felt it came from a place of hate and anger (I know from a lifetime of experience that this is the common view held by most dubs). On the other hand I viewed someone who became inactive and had doubts and questions with pity and would actually listen to their problems and try to help them.

  I wish you the best of luck. Just please keep your spouse in mind through all of this. The real goal is to have a happy life regardless of your standing with the WTS. Everyone deserves to be happy and fulfilled. I would eat a certain amount of crow if it meant my relationship with my spouse would benefit in the long-term.
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  Legolas

  Thanks for the replies. I have also discovered that someone has been encouraging my wife to view me as "bad association."

  Oh my gawd! Is that for real?

  Which character on TV used to say.."I pitty the fool"...was that Mr.T or something? Anyway that's what I would be saying about the person saying such a thing to my husband about me!
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  AuldSoul

  I have eaten crow, Listener. I just don't think I can intentionally play false to myself and with my family pressing things so hard there is only one escpae route that would leave my relationship with my wife completely untainted—pretending to be a Witness. But I would suck at it and be miserable doing it, which would affect my relationship anyway. I considered that angle.

  AuldSoul
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  Honesty

  However, I would rather that my open letter in the local paper states honestly that I disassociated myself. That would make a big difference.

  AuldSoul

  That is the ONLY way to go out AuldSoul.

  Tuesday afternoon I was told that the PO's 21 year-old MS son (he's not the PO now for some starnge reason?) has just been DF'd. Now how would a person (my informer) who hardly ever attends meetings know this young MS has been DF'd? The announcement does not mention DF or DA anymore. The bastards in Crooklyn are insuring that anyone who leaves their cult gets their name smeared no matter how they leave. Knowing the young MS for over 15 years and how much he really loves God (not the FDS. he loves God but is just misguided), I suspect his computer got him out of the demonised cult and it had nothing to do with any misconduct on his part other than visiting websites that opened his eyes to the Lie of the Watchtower.
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  LittleToe

  AuldSoul:
  As you know, we're 200% behind you

  I really hope that everything works out for the best with your wife, but that regardless of what happens that you have peace from above.

  I recently shared something with HamsterBait that might give a side to the situation that you may or may not have considered. I don't know if it'll help but I hope it does.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/34366/1774976/post.ashx#1774976
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  sf

  Isn't it amazing that we ever got involved with a group of people who can pull this sort of legalistic crap on us? We submitted to it for so long we couldn't see the reality of it's evil. Damn we were duped. Now we strike back by ignoring thier asses.

  I say, why go? Why satisfy their appetits for destruction? Just stop going. Who cares about their stupid, insane policies. Toss the DA letter too. It's dumb. You don't work for them. They don't merit a resignation letter.

  You have a support network. You will be fine AuldSoul.

  sKally
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  DannyHaszard

  You have a support network. You will be fine AuldSoul.

  Ain't that the truth my purge in 92 was 'violent' and there was NO support NO information superhighway,the only apostate i knew was heavily denounced David Reed of comments from the friends.

  I was in dire straits now help today is only a mouse click away in 1995 i donated $5,000 dollars to one of the first exjw operations and spend a cool $1,000 a month out of my own pocket.I scoffed at the new internet as just a fleeting fad NOW look at us!