yeah, the 2008 teaching would count in this case, they just don't explicitly say the word "overlap." The 1950 quote is really interesting. In that case, the word generation is being defined as "contemporaries" because there are generations that live at the same time, overlapping one another.
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The Generation that will not GO away
by raymond frantz inhi guys looking for all watchtower quotations for the "overlapping generation" doctrine from it's very inception .could you please help ?.
www.jwdoctrine.com.
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The Generation that will not GO away
by raymond frantz inhi guys looking for all watchtower quotations for the "overlapping generation" doctrine from it's very inception .could you please help ?.
www.jwdoctrine.com.
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A.proclaimer
These are the only two parts that mention the overlapping generations.
Watchtower April 15, 2010 p.10
13 Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light. (Prov. 4:18) This magazine has long been used by “the faithful and discreet slave” as the primary channel for dispensing increased light. (Matt. 24:45) For example, consider our understanding of those who make up “this generation” mentioned by Jesus. (Read Matthew 24:32-34.) To what generation did Jesus refer? The article “Christ’s Presence—What Does It Mean to You?” explained that Jesus was referring, not to the wicked, but to his disciples, who were soon to be anointed with holy spirit.* Jesus’ anointed followers, both in the first century and in our day, would be the ones who would not only see the sign but also discern its meaning—that Jesus “is near at the doors.”
14 What does this explanation mean to us? Although we cannot measure the exact length of “this generation,” we do well to keep in mind several things about the word “generation”: It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long; and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it surely will have an end.
Watchtower January 15, 2014 p.30, 31
THIS GENERATION WILL NOT PASS AWAY
14 There is yet a third reason for confidence. What has developed among God’s people points to the nearness of the end. For example, prior to the estab- lishment of God’s Kingdom in heaven, a group of faithful anointed ones were actively serving God. When some of their expectations about what would happen in 1914 did not come about, what did they do? Most of them proved their integrity under trials and persecution and kept right on serving Jehovah. Over the years, most—if not all—of those anointed ones have faithfully completed their earthly course.
15 In his detailed prophecy about the conclusion of this system of things, Jesus said: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” (Read Matthew 24:33-35.) We understand that in mentioning “this generation,” Jesus was referring to two groups of anointed Christians. The first group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of Christ’s presence in that year. Those who made up this group were not merely alive in 1914, but they were spirit-anointed as sons of God in or before that year. —Rom. 8:14-17.
16 The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the first group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the first group were still on earth. Thus, not every anointed person today is included in “this generation” of whom Jesus spoke. Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation. This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13.
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Who knew that Loesch was a Raymond franz fan haha.
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Need Scanned or Physical Mentally Diseased WT 2011 July/15 pg 15-19
by truthsetsonefree ini am in need of either a physical or scanned copy of the infamous wt 2011 july/15 pg 15-19. it's potentially for a documentary being produced and we are willing to pay.
pm me or email to [email protected].
isaac.
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You can easily find it on jw.org. Just look up the study edition and date 2011.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/?contentLanguageFilter=en&pubFilter=w&yearFilter=2011
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Yahoo answers for the question: Why do Jehovah's Witnesses shun former members?
by DuvanMuvan inwhy do jehovah's witnesses shun former members?.
loads of jws answered on this one.
kind of old but thought people would still wanna see it..
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These people are in denial. I think they've reached the point of even deceiving their ownselves. You can clearly see how they generalize the disfellowshipping situation, without even thinking outside the box. It's only what the watchtower tells them too. I find it interesting how the first answer immediately turns against those who decide to leave and claim they are shunning the organization when the organization tells members to shun them! It's a very narrow viewpoint
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Do you believe there will be "Mass Suicides" within the BAC/JW community?
by booker-t inas a "therapist trainee"(still have to take my license test) i worry about all of the religious people out there who might commit suicide if the rapture/armaggeddon does not materialize.
what if the bible is proven to be "a big fairy tale" will born again christians(bac) and jws kill themself?
i worry about some of my older jw relatives that have waited for armaggeddon for 50 years and are still waiting.
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It don't think that there would ever be a mass suicide with the JWs. 7 million + people, it's too big of a group to do that. Plus things seems to be working for them so far so I doubt they will go off into extremes. The only way I see that happening is if there's a group that breaks off, a sect within the organization, or just a group of people that decide to literally remove themselves from the world, do their own thing, and become a death cult. That's how some death cults have worked.
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Why get upset with the new WT donation system? It will still be a success...
by suavojr inwhen the wt went from charging for literature to voluntary donations, they took a hit but still survived.. i frankly see them having a high success once this new donation system is in place.
it will be a success and no dissenter or closet apostate will be able to stop it.
because although we hate the wt and would love to see them disappear, we cannot forget the ones inside will gladly donate, donate, donate.. just look at other churches!
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It's true, people in the organization are willing to do whatever is necessary to support it. They're like very obedient sheep who will do whatever they are told. They see this arrangement as coming from God so why not support it? I remember when they were running the trials in my area, the letter said they needed a whole tone of cash, in the millions to but property and make buildings. I thought, woah that's a lot of money, but they two sisters I front of me looked all happy saying they could do it and earn that money! Every religious organization needs money to survive, it's just that money is viewed as a negative thing so they have trouble directly asking for it. This is a method that will last for quite a while to make some quick cash. The people don't question it, they just follow
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I need help!! Need to find the talk where Samuel Herd recommends Angels and Women!!
by ILoveTTATT ini have tried to find the talk fear of giants... apparently there are various versions and i need to find the version that has him recommending the book angels and women.
what part of the talk?
(i don't want to listen to hours and hours of talks...).
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What you could do is pull out the audio from the video, and add in the letters for the visual part. Or if you'd like, a picture of the transcript depending on how you want it to look. I know how to do it with a Mac, never tried a PC for that though it can be done
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Congregation votes to rent house for Couple's School Grads? What's with that? Heard of this before?
by Wasanelder Once ina couple of grads from the "couple's school" are now serving in the local congregation after finishing.
they will be here a year.
i asked what work he does.
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Never heard this happening but I did over hear someone in my congegation say they plan to build houses for missionaries and special pioneers. Free houses to live in. They may not get paid much money or hardly at all in a direct way, but they still get all the necessary needs for free! Plus, free food from the congregation when they come around.
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Wrong Memorial address
by A.proclaimer inbecause it was the memorial today (yesterday for some of you around the world), i remembered something that happened last year at my now current congregation.
it was around the time of the campaign where the invites were being released.
now keep in mind that this is a congregation that's in a foreign language and the people who speak this language are scattered all over the city so the territory is very large and takes time to cover.
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Because it was the memorial today (yesterday for some of you around the world), I remembered something that happened last year at my now current congregation. It was around the time of the campaign where the invites were being released. Now keep in mind that this is a congregation that's in a foreign language and the people who speak this language are scattered all over the city so the territory is very large and takes time to cover. Anyway, they go on the campaign, and the day of the memorial arrives. I get this text from a sister giving me the new address of the memorial location. I planned to go to my old hall that time so it didn't matter for me but I was surprised that they had a new location. So I asked her about it and she told me that they got the wrong address on the invitations! I started to wonder what if someone showed up to the address on the invite only to find the place unavailable. I later brought up the wrong address issue to an elder sometime after the memorial, and he had a serious look saying they weren't sure who put the wrong address on there and they were going to figure out who. I would have hated to be in that guys shoes.
any interesting memorial-related stories?