scholars generally agree that it was written between the 7th and 4th centuries bce, with the 6th century bce as the most likely period for various reasons.
the book of job .. so according to jw`s about 6,000 years ago satan rebelled against jehovah god ,did jehovah disown him there and then shunning him ?.
apparently not as we can read from the book of job centuries later that satan could still come and go freely before the throne of jehovah in heaven .job 1: 6. and apparently he could still do this for centuries later ,that is coming to and fro before jehovah because according to the jw religion he wasn`t cast out of heaven for another 2,000 years until the 20th century .. now in the case of jesus much of what is said about jehovah and satan also applies to jesus before he came to earth.. but even when he was on earth he didn`t shun satan either in fact he allowed satan to lead him around according to the bible account.luke 4:13 so the devil having concluded all the temptations retired from him until another convenient time .so it wasn`t jesus calling the shots here it was satan .. mark 1: 13 he ,jesus, also shared 40 days in the wilderness with satan letting him tempt him .. so their was no way either jehovah or jesus ever shunned satan the devil according to the bible writings.. and when jesus ascended to heaven after his sacrifice he along with his father jehovah still had association with satan the devil until he was cast out of heaven 2,000 years later ,according to the jw`s..
Satan was never baptized so they don’t have to shun him.
That was funny as well as thought provoking. Also what about angels. They too werent baptized ?
By the way how would angels get baptized.? With the same immersion like us. How this is possible with spirit creatures
scholars generally agree that it was written between the 7th and 4th centuries bce, with the 6th century bce as the most likely period for various reasons.
the book of job .. so according to jw`s about 6,000 years ago satan rebelled against jehovah god ,did jehovah disown him there and then shunning him ?.
apparently not as we can read from the book of job centuries later that satan could still come and go freely before the throne of jehovah in heaven .job 1: 6. and apparently he could still do this for centuries later ,that is coming to and fro before jehovah because according to the jw religion he wasn`t cast out of heaven for another 2,000 years until the 20th century .. now in the case of jesus much of what is said about jehovah and satan also applies to jesus before he came to earth.. but even when he was on earth he didn`t shun satan either in fact he allowed satan to lead him around according to the bible account.luke 4:13 so the devil having concluded all the temptations retired from him until another convenient time .so it wasn`t jesus calling the shots here it was satan .. mark 1: 13 he ,jesus, also shared 40 days in the wilderness with satan letting him tempt him .. so their was no way either jehovah or jesus ever shunned satan the devil according to the bible writings.. and when jesus ascended to heaven after his sacrifice he along with his father jehovah still had association with satan the devil until he was cast out of heaven 2,000 years later ,according to the jw`s..
When God and Jesus never shunned even Satan
If you ask this to a JW, I’m pretty sure they would say.
Jah or Jesus never shunned Satan because millions of Angels were watching this Sovereignty Issue and Jah didn’t want to be mean.......
This is how we were all brainwashed with their stupid Explanations during our Bible studies
i was searching for something on the wt online library, and was struck by all the requirements a jw has in order to be "saved".. want to see a partial list?
all these found by searching for "salvation depends" on wol.
just do all 26 things, and you too can be saved!.
To Summarize: Salvation depends on your unquestioning faithfulness to WT
so, if you expect to find 'saints' with halos, you will never find real christians.. after over 30 years of being a jw, there are many things about the org that disturb me- yet no one else even acknowledges the only true god, as jesus referred to him.. not a 'they' or 'them' ('trinity')- but him!and he has always had the name jehovah (yehovah in hebrew)- even though the koine greek had no version of it when the nt was written.. so among the many things real christians have to endure- is often each other!
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@MuchCloserLook Your suggestions in Bold
First, EA, is seeing if God exists in the 1st Place.
Is there a tangible method to find out ?
Then, if you see He does, determining if He ever gave mankind guidance.
This is based upon the the First Question which has no real Evidence or outcome until now
Examining all the 'Holy' books- only ONE stands out as real.
Which one is real. How does it stand out as real among all ?
Finally, praying to God for understanding , then reading it starts the process!
Which God ? Is there a proof that your prayers are answered or atleast heard ?
Everything then falls into place!
so, if you expect to find 'saints' with halos, you will never find real christians.. after over 30 years of being a jw, there are many things about the org that disturb me- yet no one else even acknowledges the only true god, as jesus referred to him.. not a 'they' or 'them' ('trinity')- but him!and he has always had the name jehovah (yehovah in hebrew)- even though the koine greek had no version of it when the nt was written.. so among the many things real christians have to endure- is often each other!
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EVERY Religion has Hypocrites- even the TRUE One
Which is the true one ? How do you say its true ?
jws or mormons.
from a public point of view not from people within the religion as that would be obvious.. examples of extreme beliefs or behaviour would be useful..
Jesus and Jehovah appeared to a guy called Joseph Smith who gave him the golden plates, which Joseph later translated with a Magic hat and god then took back the golden plates and Joseph revealed the ultimate truth that Jesus visited the Americas sometime after his resurrection and that the Book of Mormon is a supplement to the Bible. And Mormons would baptize the dead and wear holy under wears.....
That is more super Fun than the JW beleifs
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/politics/coronavirus-jehovahs-witnesses.html.
the pandemic has put a stop to the activities of one of the nation’s most visible religious groups, jehovah’s witnesses.. read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/politics/coronavirus-jehovahs-witnesses.html.
So the most important work in the Universe -Field Serivce of JWs
And The most important Worship in the Universe - Worshipping Jehovah at Kingdom halls, is now turned upside down.
A microscopic virus has proved that its mightier than God and angels
i recall when it was released ,that's when i was a drone, how excited i felt at the prospect of reading it and formulating ways to sell it at the homes in my area.. i thought, finally a book to explain the last book in the bible and indeed one that the churches seemed to want to leave alone!.
i sold quite a few probably because of my enthusiasm and can still remember clearly the first day when i went knocking on doors with it ,and it's been decades since.. but over time it lost it's shine and my mind started to question the explanations in it due to the scene of other things being changed in the jw beliefs.. do you remember they flogged that book so many times in the book studies even when it was found to have "newer light " eclipsing it!.
who else remembers the printed pages with the official corrections to insert into the book ,so many that the book collapsed to be of no relevance anymore really.....what an embarrassment!.
The Bible book of revelation was written by a mentally disturbed person. Who else would write that beasts would come out of the sea, Killer Grasshoppers, blood filling the earth unto a horses height, Winged creatures in heaven, women being corrupted etc…
This book was clubbed into the Bible after some lengthy arguments and debates, as I understand.
And the WT wrote a whole lot of interpretation for that Book - which thrilled millions of Jws for a time – and which are almost out dated now.
Time changes everything
just received this note out of the blue from a pimi jw.
how would you respond?.
hi vander,.
Men will be lovers of money and themselves: History says that any given society in any timeframe had always had people like this
Plagues : Always had plagues in history. In fact the mortal rate was even greater before becasue people didnt understand the root cause.
Earth Quakes : Does any geological society say that Eartquakes have increased since the 20th century. No. These were always there. Even a mild earthquake in any part of the world is recorded and published now. Thats the difference. Why do earthquakes occur in the first place ? Earth wasnt created good ? Manufacturing defect?
Good news will be preached in all the earth : Really. What about countries where JW are banned ?
Mocking about the last days: Christians have been saying that the time they are living are the last days, for 2000 years. What else to do other than mock it
memorial talk from australia - .
https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/vodmemorialtalk2020/pub-mo-tk20r_16_video.
at 23 minutes 00 seconds, the speaker says who are god's sons/christ's brothers.. according to the bible, he's got it wrong:.
The whole fucking ransom thing is hard to square up with the facts
The whole concept of this Biblical ransom is idiotic , barbaric and a total non sense
